Warren G. Harding
Ulysses S. Grant
George W. Bush
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The five great lies of the
We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.
I voted for FDR. Perhaps if he were older, and his actions were not so recent, I wouldn't think so.
One who makes himself a worm cannot complain when tread upon.
+1 FDR for ruining the nation and throwing American citizens into concentration camps by executive order.
But ruining the nation? Are you kidding me? He won WW2. He took us out of the Great Depression. Virtually every highway in the country today was built during FDR's administration. He extended electricity to large parts of the country that didn't have it before. He established the foundations of the regulation of wall street...
During his administration we went from being a second world country teetering down towards third world status and occupation by the Nazis to being perhaps the greatest economic and military powerhouse the world has ever seen. To describe that as ruining the country is so far beyond absurd that I don't even know what to say to it. It's totally insane to claim that. Abjectly disconnected from reality.
He didn't win WWII - that was Truman. And creating the REA (Rural Electrification Administration) also set us on course for the energy hole we're in today. Not to mention it was a model of the government program, created for a specific purpose, that sticks around eating tax payer money long after that purpose has been served. You know, the REA would come into town and talk the farmers into going on delivered electricity - all they had to do was to sign away their rights to ever self-generate. That's where I got my first wind turbine and 12/24/36 volt appliances - from an old barn in Missouri (there since the family had signed off to the REA).
And the highway system - that was Ike. We were not a second world country spiraling down, and despite the propoganda of the time there was never any danger of the germans taking the US proper. Hell they couldn't even take Russia.
Finally, the Great Depression. We were headed out of that as it was. FDR's initiatives may have helped, but again they may have also artificially delayed the recovery a bit too. Depends upon whose economic theories you buy into.
It's like the Reagan presidency. Many lionize him, but they ignore the things about Reagan that the anti-Reagan folks rightfully bring up. The truth is somewhere in the middle. A great deal of a president's legacy is how people FEEL about him. We ignore the bad and the flaky stuff when we 'like' what we think we know of the guy.
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After September of 1940, a Nazi invasion of the United Kingdom would have been insanely idiotic, let alone one of the United States. I don't know where you're getting that idea from.
To back up your claims of FDR omnipotence (winning WWII, saving us from the Depression...), you'd have to establish causation, not just correlation. You really haven't done that.
Theories are nice and all, but when they consistently fail to align with what happens in reality, they need to be discarded. Were you aware, for example, that even excluding FDR's spectacular results, the economy has grown by 2.78% on average ever since then when we've had Democratic presidents, but only 1.64% when we've had Republican presidents? Almost all Democrats have outperformed almost all Republicans.