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  • The Japanese Government

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  • Nuclear Plant design engineers

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    Who is guilty of Criminal Negligence?

    Fukushima residents call for criminal charges against nuclear officials - CNN.com


    "The complaint argues that the 33 TEPCO executives and government officials are responsible for causing the nuclear disaster that followed the March 11 earthquake and tsunami and exposing the people of Fukushima to radiation."

    The Japanese seem to be taking legal matters into their own hands since their gov't won't.

    Can they actually be effective?

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    Re: Who is guilty of Criminal Negligence?

    Although it is not addressed in this article, the most damning article of evidence for Criminal Negligence is the existing stone tsunami markers were ignored by the planners/engineers/designers. These were stone markers indicating where historical tsunamis had caused damage and indicated much higher tsunami tidal waves than the planners accounted for. These were physical, de facto indicators of real past tsunamis and they were ignored. That is my argument for the initial negligence. The response to the tsunami and the TEPCO and Japanese gov't response bring in multiple issues of negligence.

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    Re: Who is guilty of Criminal Negligence?

    Who is guilty of Criminally Negligent Manslaughter? I think Eric Holder is for his role in Fast & Furious.
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    Re: Who is guilty of Criminal Negligence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Who is guilty of Criminally Negligent Manslaughter? I think Eric Holder is for his role in Fast & Furious.
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    Re: Who is guilty of Criminal Negligence?

    In every design engineering project I've been involved with (there have been many) there is a recurring list of things that are big issues. The root causes are mostly cost reduction and development schedule reduction. High level management is rewarded for reducing cost and schedule. In almost every development project I've discovered a problem in the design, from inadequate specification to inadequate testing. (I have stated many times that a management skill that is necessary to be successful is 'feigning surprise'.) I've never been rewarded for finding a problem that increases development costs or delays delivery, only punished. Fukushima is no different. And who here likes independent regulators that know what they are doing? I have to add that my wife is also a retired engineer and she just noted, again, to me that this has been her experience also.
    Last edited by OhIsee.Then; 06-19-12 at 01:03 PM.

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    Re: Who is guilty of Criminal Negligence?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Although it is not addressed in this article, the most damning article of evidence for Criminal Negligence is the existing stone tsunami markers were ignored by the planners/engineers/designers. These were stone markers indicating where historical tsunamis had caused damage and indicated much higher tsunami tidal waves than the planners accounted for. These were physical, de facto indicators of real past tsunamis and they were ignored. That is my argument for the initial negligence. The response to the tsunami and the TEPCO and Japanese gov't response bring in multiple issues of negligence.
    That's a good point.

    I'm wondering if they built the plant in an already populated area, or did the population move in after the plant was built? I'm thinking of Diablo Canyon in California and it is pretty much out there by itself, so if something similar did happen, the effect on masses of people would be lessened.

    I do think you should have included "Nobody" as a poll option, though, as that can be a valid opinion as well.
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    Re: Who is guilty of Criminal Negligence?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    In every design engineering project I've been involved with (there have been many) there is a recurring list of things that are big issues. The root causes are mostly cost reduction and development schedule reduction. High level management is rewarded for reducing cost and schedule. In almost every development project I've discovered a problem in the design, from inadequate specification to inadequate testing. (I have stated many times that a management skill that is necessary to be successful is 'feigning surprise'.) I've never been rewarded for finding a problem that increases development costs or delays delivery, only punished. Fukushima is no different. And who here likes independent regulators that know what they are doing? I have to add that my wife is also a retired engineer and she just noted, again, to me that this has been her experience also.
    As an engineer myself, I think this is appropriate for your post.
    Who is guilty of Criminal Negligence?-dilbert-engineer-jpg
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    Re: Who is guilty of Criminal Negligence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Who is guilty of Criminally Negligent Manslaughter? I think Eric Holder is for his role in Fast & Furious.
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    Re: Who is guilty of Criminal Negligence?

    This plant was inspected by the Japanese gov't and given permission to operate. Just beacuse things did not work out well, is no cause for NOW shifting blame to some corporate boogie man. The boogie man is Japan, as a whole, so go sue yourselves, if that makes you feel better, the lawyers will absolutely love it. ;-)
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    Re: Who is guilty of Criminal Negligence?

    Wow, two votes for "Nuclear Plant design engineers"! What did they do wrong?

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