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  • TEPCO

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  • The Japanese Government

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  • Nuclear Plant design engineers

    4 50.00%
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Thread: Who is guilty of Criminal Negligence?

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    Re: Who is guilty of Criminal Negligence?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Although it is not addressed in this article, the most damning article of evidence for Criminal Negligence is the existing stone tsunami markers were ignored by the planners/engineers/designers. These were stone markers indicating where historical tsunamis had caused damage and indicated much higher tsunami tidal waves than the planners accounted for. These were physical, de facto indicators of real past tsunamis and they were ignored. That is my argument for the initial negligence. The response to the tsunami and the TEPCO and Japanese gov't response bring in multiple issues of negligence.

    As I remember it the land that included the nuclear power plant was shifted downward several meters so if they also did not build the walls high enough yes that would be a problem.
    Last edited by Shadow Serious; 06-20-12 at 11:43 AM. Reason: made sure quote was showing.
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    Re: Who is guilty of Criminal Negligence?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Wow, two votes for "Nuclear Plant design engineers"! What did they do wrong?
    They did at least two things wrong. There was no passive uphill cooling water source in case of power failure. The backup generators were located where they could be flooded. Fukushima was populated before the nuke plants arrived. If you would like to see something similar in the USA, take a look at the past year of history at the Fort Calhoun nuke plant. I don't think it is back online yet and hope it never is. If you get the correct photos you will see the nuke plant as a buildings compound as an island in a flood. Ain't that reassuring now? Nobody wants to talk about it. As a side note. Nukes are uninsurable. Nukes cannot be built without taxpayers footing the bill. Nukes are not competitive, especially with current natural gas in a bubble. The Nuclear Industry is like a lampry eel on a shark. It is a parasite Corporate (to avoid legal liability to its profiteers) leech on our Centralized Distribution Network. That Centralized Distribution Network is another sad story. Capsulized, it is the same old line moneymakers tapping the taxpayers main vein.

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    Re: Who is guilty of Criminal Negligence?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    They did at least two things wrong. There was no passive uphill cooling water source in case of power failure. The backup generators were located where they could be flooded. Fukushima was populated before the nuke plants arrived.
    Maybe you'll see this. I'm sorry it's so late and no one seems interested. I'm not a nuke engineer, but even I wouldn't make these mistakes. Note that a passive uphill cooling water source would add cost. Any nuke designer would design it in unless they were told to not add that cost by someone in higher authority. Locating the backup generators where they could not be flooded would add significant cost and design complexity, just exactly what engineers like unless told not to do it to reduce cost. My wife and I were both design engineers and we were told many times to reduce development and product cost at the expense of reliability. I designed 5 nines computer equipment, she designed the software that operates in commercial jets.
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    Re: Who is guilty of Criminal Negligence?

    I do not know if anyone did anything wrong.
    What happened was "an act of nature"....
    We should learn from this and do things better.
    Bringing on law suits only enriches the lawyers but improves nothing - actually makes matters worse.

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    Re: Who is guilty of Criminal Negligence?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I do not know if anyone did anything wrong.
    What happened was "an act of nature"....
    We should learn from this and do things better.
    Bringing on law suits only enriches the lawyers but improves nothing - actually makes matters worse.
    It was a predictable act of nature. The tsunami markers are stone monuments placed by residents who survived past earthquake generated tsunamis. It is a known earthquake prone area, so design engineering must make realistic projections for possible earthquake generated tsunamis. Not rocket science. When you install a nuke plant in an earthquake prone area, you are responsible to plan accordingly, responsibly. Nukes are still big Corporate business and control much of the press related to this issue. Another leech on our taxpaying backs.

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    Re: Who is guilty of Criminal Negligence?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It was a predictable act of nature. The tsunami markers are stone monuments placed by residents who survived past earthquake generated tsunamis. It is a known earthquake prone area, so design engineering must make realistic projections for possible earthquake generated tsunamis. Not rocket science. When you install a nuke plant in an earthquake prone area, you are responsible to plan accordingly, responsibly. Nukes are still big Corporate business and control much of the press related to this issue. Another leech on our taxpaying backs.
    Do you know that design engineering DIDN'T make realistic projections for possible earthquake generated tsunamis?
    I see that you liked my previous posts on this, but you blamed engineers again. My experience and that of my peers disagrees with your assumption.
    Last edited by OhIsee.Then; 06-22-12 at 07:10 PM.

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    Re: Who is guilty of Criminal Negligence?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Do you know that design engineering DIDN'T make realistic projections for possible earthquake generated tsunamis?I see that you liked my previous posts on this, but you blamed engineers again. My experience and that of my peers disagrees with your assumption.
    Yes, now I see what you mean. The Design Engineers probably took the correct tsunami information and noted it and then were overridden by a financial review at an upper management level. Someone should chase a paper trail to nail the culprits. Could be either.

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    Re: Who is guilty of Criminal Negligence?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Down boy, your humping our leg again.
    LOL irony meter warranty put to the test again

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    Re: Who is guilty of Criminal Negligence?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Yes, now I see what you mean. The Design Engineers probably took the correct tsunami information and noted it and then were overridden by a financial review at an upper management level. Someone should chase a paper trail to nail the culprits. Could be either.
    Japan has some serious problems. Apparently someone(s) in their chain of command - perhaps in the very "top", decided to ignore the markers, the common sense, the engineers and it was full steam forward - damn the torpedos....and the people....
    We may have the same problems here at home, but I do not think that they are nearly as bad..
    Our engineers do walk the tightrope, everyday.

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    Re: Who is guilty of Criminal Negligence?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    LOL irony meter warranty put to the test again
    Iguanaman and Turtledude - you should watch you children more closly - its too easy to post using daddy's name....lol...lol

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