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Best US President

Who Was the Best US President?

  • Abraham Lincoln

    Votes: 15 19.0%

  • Franklin Roosevelt

    Votes: 20 25.3%

  • George Washington

    Votes: 9 11.4%

  • Thomas Jefferson

    Votes: 5 6.3%

  • Theodore Roosevelt

    Votes: 4 5.1%

  • Woodrow Wilson

    Votes: 1 1.3%

  • Andrew Jackson

    Votes: 2 2.5%

  • Harry Truman

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Lyndon Johnson

    Votes: 1 1.3%

  • Other (please list below)

    Votes: 22 27.8%
  • Total voters
    79
zstep18 said:
The Founding Fathers themselves took measures which increased the strength of the national government. The Federalist Party was built on the very idea of a strong national government. Even Thomas Jefferson, who was strongly opposed to the idea of a strong national government, took measures while president which were thought of as unconstitutional at the time and were also contradictory to his beliefs of limited government (see: Louisiana Purchase). Oh, and John Adams tried the very same court packing scheme that FDR did.
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that has no relevance to the fact that FDR destroyed the balance between the states and the federal government and used the commerce clause as a carte blanch grant of federal power
 
TurtleDude said:
that has no relevance to the fact that FDR destroyed the balance between the states and the federal government and used the commerce clause as a carte blanch grant of federal power
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he also used his power to silence critics, imprisoned Japanese Americans, and agreed to the repatriation of polish slaves to Russia.

just a horrible, horribly person and leader.
 
ARealConservative said:
not even close.
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That's what I was going to say, but some people have no historical perspective. Same person said Reagan was the best and Obama was the worst. Maybe of the last 30 years....though Clinton and Bush come close on either end of the spectrum of best and worst since 1981.
 
SgtRock said:
Isn't it strange that the President who founded the Democratic Party was a genocidal murderer of indigenous people and the President who was responsible for freeing the slaves was a Republican?
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Not at all. It is best to take the facts or results first and retro-actively trace back to the causes. So Lincoln as a Republican meant that the Civil War was caused by the capitalists desiring cheap and obedient labor from freed slaves. Jackson as a Democrat meant he wanted to protect the majority from hostility by incompatible races. The required view of these actions today is not a realistic one. New does not mean improved, it now only means confused.
 
ARealConservative said:
he also used his power to silence critics, imprisoned Japanese Americans, and agreed to the repatriation of polish slaves to Russia.

just a horrible, horribly person and leader.
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some presidents were lousy in their day because they were corrupt or accomplished nothing (Harding-corrupt, Filmore-nothing accomplished)

FDR was a great leader in terms of getting stuff done. SO was Stalin. What FDR got done was bad for the country. You can claim he was a great president and still damn him as being awful for America. I don't think the leftwing fawning fans of him understand that. Incompetence like Grant does not have long term pernicious harm
 
rocket88 said:
That's what I was going to say, but some people have no historical perspective. Same person said Reagan was the best and Obama was the worst. Maybe of the last 30 years....though Clinton and Bush come close on either end of the spectrum of best and worst since 1981.
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Obama isn't even the worst president this century
 
NotEliTanenbaum said:
I don't like Andrew Jackson either. My short list comes from a survey that compared the opinions of liberal and conservative historians on the best US Presidents. Because both groups ranked Jackson on their top ten list, at positions seven and six respectively, I added him to the short list, figuring some people may actually like him. You can find the survey here. Good question.
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I'd eliminate Wilson, Truman, and Adams. My ranking would be Jefferson, Jackson, Monroe, Polk, Teddy Roosevelt, Washington, Lincoln, FDR, Reagan, and Eisenhower.
 
PrometheusBound said:
I'd eliminate Wilson, Truman, and Adams. My ranking would be Jefferson, Jackson, Monroe, Polk, Teddy Roosevelt, Washington, Lincoln, FDR, Reagan, and Eisenhower.
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Love Polk in your list. Good president that people tend to forget about.
 
ARealConservative said:
FDR made the depression worse.
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No he did not.
Not with his new deal from 1933-1936
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How did he make it worse? Specifics please...

He created internment camps for Japanese Americans.
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Yes he did which is awful.


But the worst thing of all, is he doomed our future.
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Oh god.. Howd he do this?

We will eventually go belly up, and he will be the primary cause.
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Yes a president over 50 years ago. Its his fault :doh

His fundamental shift in what the federal government has the power do to is directly tied to the lobbyist business we have today,
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How so?

is the cause of the 15 trillion dollar debt,
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Yes FDR added 15 trillion dollars to the debt!:doh

our changed view on foreign policy,
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He was an anti imperialist?

and the bitter divide we see in political discussion today.

worst.president.ever.
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Dear god.. It seems your blamming a lot of things on FDR with no reason and no factual information to back this up. I kinda think your pulling **** out of your ass.
 
you know-when someone who proclaims to be a DemSocialist also proclaims FDR to be a great president, that pretty well proves to all of us who detest the stench of socialism -that FDR was one hell of a turd
 
TurtleDude said:
you know-when someone who proclaims to be a DemSocialist also proclaims FDR to be a great president, that pretty well proves to all of us who detest the stench of socialism -that FDR was one hell of a turd
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:roll:

Right or maybe he just was a progressive social democrat and the most left wing pres we have ever had.
 
I think its a bad question. You cant judge presidents without considering the era. Clinton was/is a dirtbag personally but was brilliant at working WITH the opposition party to achieve great results. Nixon inherited the Johnson debacle. Reagan inherited the Carter nightmare. Roosevelt served as an extraordinary leader during a brutal time. Washington led the country through its genesis. Lincoln balanced north, south, politicians, and our most horrible era as a people. No way to say how any of them would have handled the crisis and era the other faced.

I can tell you that as bad as I despise Obama I certainly dont envy him the job.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
No he did not.
Not with his new deal from 1933-1936
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How did he make it worse? Specifics please...
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I think the New Deal was mostly positive, but the Roosevelt Administration did do some very stupid things. For example, the NRA's efforts to fix prices are widely regarded as a failure.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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Right or maybe he just was a progressive social democrat and the most left wing pres we have ever had.
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yeah its too bad he was able to stay in office so long and screw up so many things-I wonder how many people in eastern Europe died due to his incompetence
 
TurtleDude said:
yeah its too bad he was able to stay in office so long and screw up so many things-I wonder how many people in eastern Europe died due to his incompetence
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I wonder... What did he "screw up"?
Economically that is?
And i know you might say "taxes were too high". That is a opinion and didnt cause anything to be "screwed up"

And his "incompetence" lead to the situation in Eastern Europe? How so? Because you do realize that he was not around to see VE day right?
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
I wonder... What did he "screw up"?
Economically that is?
And i know you might say "taxes were too high". That is a opinion and didnt cause anything to be "screwed up"

And his "incompetence" lead to the situation in Eastern Europe? How so? Because you do realize that he was not around to see VE day right?
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The massive failure in Yalta-look it up-its in most objective history books. FDR was senile and Stalin took advantage of that.

The new deal blew away the boundaries on the federal government-wonder why we have a huge deficit today?
 
TurtleDude said:
The massive failure in Yalta-look it up-its in most objective history books. FDR was senile and Stalin took advantage of that.
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You do realize Stalin promised democratic elections in all of the Eastern Bloc right?


The new deal blew away the boundaries on the federal government
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Uhh not really. Everything was constitutional.

-wonder why we have a huge deficit today?
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Yea its FDRS fault... :roll:

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The out of control spending started with Reagan bud....
 
TurtleDude said:
W was a better president than Oblamer
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That's a fair opinion. I'm just going with ARC's assessment that O wasn't the worst this Century, which by default would make him the best.

Persoanlly, I think between those two it's a tossup for who was worse. Which is like choosing between cat poopand dog poop for which is smellier.
 
FDR's crap was ruled constitutional because he threatened to pack the court

its like saying you willfully gave the Mob Protection money-because you didn't want your knees broken
 
TurtleDude said:
FDR's crap was ruled constitutional because he threatened to pack the court
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Yea but history shows us that it never fell threw and was struck down..
So that is a excuse that does not apply here..


its like saying you willfully gave the Mob Protection money-because you didn't want your knees broken
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Sure...

Just like its FDR's fault at Yalta.. :roll:

Anything else?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Yea but history shows us that it never fell threw and was struck down..
So that is a excuse that does not apply here..



Sure...

Just like its FDR's fault at Yalta.. :roll:

Anything else?
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actually FDR's New Deal nonsense was struck down in the first major ruling on it in Schechter Poultry. FDR got a huge victory in 1936 and buoyed by that he threatened to pack the court figuring with his popularity he could get awe with it.

No excuse-facts- I don't think you want to argue constitutional law and history with me

and read up on Yalta-many analysts conclude FDR was too senile to figure out what Stalin was up to
 
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