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:roll: :lamoWhat, no votes for W?
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:roll: :lamoWhat, no votes for W?
<ducks to avoid thrown shoes>
FDR was a failure? Reagan was a failure? I think Libs and Cons will disagree with you on at least one.
FDR was the worst president in our history.
I wouldn't call him the worst. Overall he was mediocre. He grew government in some good ways and some bad ways.
I understand your point, but consider this: Did presidents in the 1700's and 1800's have to deal with nuclear weapons and cyber warfare? They never had to worry about their decisions possibly causing the extinction of man. Also, with the lack of communications and media scrutiny back then, its alost hard to tell WHAT kind of guys they REALLY were.
Easily the worst. America will eventually falter, and when historians look back and judge why, it will be impossible to ignore his idiocy all over what went wrong.
Easily the worst. America will eventually falter, and when historians look back and judge why, it will be impossible to ignore his idiocy all over what went wrong.
I believe he was one of the worst. His social programs and the fact that he kept throwing money at the economy hoping it would draw us out of the depression when it only made it worse. The war is what brought us out of the depression.
Who do you think was the best US President?
Don't know.
I believe one thing...every one since (and including) at least Hoover is a big failure - some more then others.
He also managed to turn us into the kind of industrial powerhouse that could defeat facism.
Dwight David Eisenhower
FDR was the worst president in our history.
He had nothing to do with it. The longer we sat on the sidelines while the world was at war, the more we benefited.
I do not attribute our reluctance to go to war on him. That was the American sentiment, and if anything, he pursued policy to alter that opinion.
Why are you trying to argue with me? I never cited FDR as the greatest. I'd put him in the middle of the field. You can debate someone who cited him as the best, if you'd like.
who says we are arguing?
You posted "FDR was a failure?".
I replied with my opinion that he was the worst president in our history.
Not really, eventually America's involvement in the war was inevitable. The real question is do you want to fight the Nazi's in 1942 when they're bogged down in Stalingrad, or do you want to wait until 1950 when they've already wiped out our allies.
Eventually, the war would come here. Roosevelt saw the threat that was facism and knew that war would be necessary. Either we could wait for it to come to us, or fight on our terms.
I think calling him the worst in a bit of hackery on your part.
It's my honest opinion. he was an absolute disaster, and the damage he caused is still causing ripple effects.
An absolute disaster? The American people certainly disagreed around that time
- as do most historians now (apparently).
FDR was not a failure if you supported massive mutations of the constitution, massive expansion of the federal government and rejection of over 100 years of precedent by the USSC. So FDR was certainly a "great president" to the left. For those of us who wanted the limited federal government the founders envisioned, FDR was the most malignant and pernicious president ever with Wilson and LBJ close seconds for the same reasons
don't make we Godwin this thread
yep, they love the presidents that take us to war and fundamentally change the political landscape. most people reject our views on just about everything too. so does that make libertarianism wrong?
It certainly doesn't. I'm not gonna argue that FDR was the best of all time but I will argue that he wasn't the worst. Grant, IMO was the worst. For one, he was on the bad side of the War of Northern Aggression. Second, he did absolutely nothing positive with his Presidency. Third, the only thing that significantly happened during his time in office was the Black Friday scandal and rampant corruption throughout his office because of promised positions from his time as leader during the War.