Best US President

Medusa said:

good ones always fall victim to assasinations ,i can say kennedy...

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Why Kennedy?

zgoldsmith23 said:

FDR was a failure? Reagan was a failure? I think Libs and Cons will disagree with you on at least one.

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You are surely right.


FDR was a massive failure, imo. Especially before WW2.

And Reagan? Just look at his massive deficits? Any POTUS that cannot balance the budget when no declared state of war exists is a failure, imo. And I don't even begin to care about the excuse 'we were fighting the Cold War'. Whatever.
The man was big on small government (good) but posted GIANT deficits...every single year (bad and hypocritical).

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/budget.php

jet57 said:

Why Kennedy?

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ı havent much knowledge about him ,but many claim he was a sane president ,who assasinates a bad president?

Medusa said:

ı havent much knowledge about him ,but many claim he was a sane president ,who assasinates a bad president?

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So, if a crappy Prez pisses off so many people that someone shoots him; he is then instantly a good Prez?

DA60 said:

So, if a crappy Prez pisses off so many people that someone shoots him; he is then instantly a good Prez?

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i cant know that better than you ,of course ,but in my opinion ,great leaders always have lots of enemies

DA60 said:

You are surely right.


FDR was a massive failure, imo. Especially before WW2.

And Reagan? Just look at his massive deficits? Any POTUS that cannot balance the budget when no declared state of war exists is a failure, imo. And I don't even begin to care about the excuse 'we were fighting the Cold War'. Whatever.
The man was big on small government (good) but posted GIANT deficits...every single year (bad and hypocritical).

Federal Budget Receipts and Outlays

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How was FDR a failure? I bet you'll say something about spending too much / increasing the size of the government.

President Lincoln by far. Our country would not be as free without him.

MarineTpartier said:

President Lincoln by far. Our country would not be as free without him.

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I'm not a fan of Lincoln but he was a great vampire hunter

I wasn't alive during the terms of the president's listed, with exception of LBJ. And LBJ sucked.

The president's that have served during my lifetime had their highs and lows but they pretty much sucked too. So, I can only assume that all presidents, both past and present, suck for the most part. Time tends to fade the memory and make heroes out of rascals.

My vote is other... They ALL suck. Politicians suck period.

zgoldsmith23 said:

How was FDR a failure? I bet you'll say something about spending too much / increasing the size of the government.

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FDR was not a failure if you supported massive mutations of the constitution, massive expansion of the federal government and rejection of over 100 years of precedent by the USSC. So FDR was certainly a "great president" to the left. For those of us who wanted the limited federal government the founders envisioned, FDR was the most malignant and pernicious president ever with Wilson and LBJ close seconds for the same reasons

Where is the love for Lincoln?? I think he was tasked with the hardest jobs of any president. He superbly managed the union in the civil war and was magnificent in doing so in a way that allowed the country to fuse back together in such quick order. He was brilliant in both mind and spirit. A true intellectual who also knew how to manage people and society and triumphed in America's darkest hour.

FDR

no doubt about it.

He turned back the worst domestic threat and the worst foreign threat of the last 100 plus years.

haymarket said:

FDR

no doubt about it.

He turned back the worst domestic threat and the worst foreign threat of the last 100 plus years.

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he started us down the road to a welfare socialist state where the balance of power between the federal government and the states was destroyed permanently. Most of the welfare income redistribution garbage that your party worships and derives power from could never have happened but for FDR's actions

00timh said:

Where is the love for Lincoln?? I think he was tasked with the hardest jobs of any president. He superbly managed the union in the civil war and was magnificent in doing so in a way that allowed the country to fuse back together in such quick order. He was brilliant in both mind and spirit. A true intellectual who also knew how to manage people and society and triumphed in America's darkest hour.

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So we are told. I bet if there was a Debate Politic's forum, back in Lincoln's day, there would be people talking about how he sucked. I think Lincoln was awesome. Going on what I have been taught.

I bet, in time, even Bush II and Obama will be well thought of. If history can turn a womanizing, drug addict, ex-president (JFK) into a demi-god, anything is possible.

Just sayin'.

I voted Washington. I don't think he wanted to do it, be president, did it out of duty. He could have influenced the job, abused his power and set the tone, but he set a tone for fair handedness and reverence for the constitution and the rule of law.

TurtleDude said:

he started us down the road to a welfare socialist state where the balance of power between the federal government and the states was destroyed permanently.

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Thanks Turtle! I forgot to mention those other positive points as well. Great job!!!!

Captain America said:

So we are told. I bet if there was a Debate Politic's forum, back in Lincoln's day, there would be people talking about how he sucked. I think Lincoln was awesome. Going on what I have been taught.

I bet, in time, even Bush II and Obama will be well thought of. If history can turn a womanizing, drug addict, ex-president (JFK) into a demi-god, anything is possible.

Just sayin'.

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Unfortunately, most presidents are remembered most for their worst parts of their presidencies. But then, those who never had such disasters seem to be remembered better than they should have perhaps. I agree about the Kennedy Mystique being overhyped, but he never faced too much in the way of disaster. He had the bay of pigs fiasco, but other than some egg on his face, not much really effected the U.S.

We had a hellava close call with the Cuban Missile crisis, and too many are making him to be a man which stared down the Iron curtain. Accurate accounts of history have shown that it was in fact us who blinked 1st. Although what we offered was more or less meaningless. It was a giant pissing contest gone too far, and when we quietly went to the Soviets and said we will offer... before we even got out what we were offering they were saying we'll take it- more or less.

Kennedy interestingly enough was a conservative for a democrat. Something that it appears many liberals have conveniently forgotten.

If Obama loses, his presidency will likely be looked upon much like Carter's. My overall opinion of Obama is a charismatic Carter but of course with a historical standpoint of being the 1st mixed race POTUS. A little less honorable than Carter, but the results thus far have been similar. He has a good chance at survival though because the GOP has basically imploded on itself. His 2nd term will then ultimately define him as good or bad.

GWB is thus far remembered poorly, but at least statistically, he had a very good 1st 6 years. was well received with his initial response to 9/11 and enjoyed a GOP controlled congress and a good economy. The 2nd half of his 2nd half was a disaster and that is all we seem to remember about him.

finebead said:

I voted Washington. I don't think he wanted to do it, be president, did it out of duty. He could have influenced the job, abused his power and set the tone, but he set a tone for fair handedness and reverence for the constitution and the rule of law.

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Yep...what a guy.

He had FAR more slaves then any other Founding Father and treated many of them poorly if they did not do as he wished.

And he stole from natives during his military days.


The guy was a dick head.

haymarket said:

FDR

no doubt about it.

He turned back the worst domestic threat and the worst foreign threat of the last 100 plus years.

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I disagree about both. Although I don't know if any POTUS could have made significant improvements in the economy of the 1930's due to the massive continental drought which lasted nearly the entire decade. In terms of foreign policy though, He made the situation far worse, ignoring the growing threat of the Nazis and the brewing asian conflict. At the start of WWII China and Japan were at war, the soviets were getting involved and Japan was looking for and doing anything in which if felt it could get an advantage. Japan had become a growing threat, and FDR was too eager to take their false good will which cost us dearly. With multiple theaters at war, we were completely unprepared with our armed forces being depleted and our readiness at such a pathetic state.

haymarket said:

Thanks Turtle! I forgot to mention those other positive points as well. Great job!!!!

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He was a great president for those of you who want to destroy this nation and turn it into another Eurosocialist Greece

00timh said:

I disagree about both. Although I don't know if any POTUS could have made significant improvements in the economy of the 1930's due to the massive continental drought which lasted nearly the entire decade. In terms of foreign policy though, He made the situation far worse, ignoring the growing threat of the Nazis and the brewing asian conflict. At the start of WWII China and Japan were at war, the soviets were getting involved and Japan was looking for and doing anything in which if felt it could get an advantage. Japan had become a growing threat, and FDR was too eager to take their false good will which cost us dearly. With multiple theaters at war, we were completely unprepared with our armed forces being depleted and our readiness at such a pathetic state.

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If FDR had not had his head up his ass and had not been so eager to allow something that would goad congress and the public into supporting a war, the pearl harbor sneak attack could have been wiped out rather easily. If triple A batteries had been up and ready, the ships in the open ocean with air cover up, the Japanese attack would have seen the loss of almost all their planes. bombers would have then followed the stragglers back and taken out most of the japanese carrier fleet. The war would have ended much faster

zgoldsmith23 said:

How was FDR a failure? I bet you'll say something about spending too much / increasing the size of the government.

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That's a good start, yup.

From mid '33 until mid '42 the Dow went down and from mid '32 until '42 the unemployment rate averaged over 17% PLUS he sent the national debt skyrocketing.

Yet, Britain (whose unemployment was almost as bad as America's in 1932/33) spent a fraction what FDR did and yet recovered FAR faster.

Yeah...I'd call that a failure.

Voting for Franklin Roosevelt.

It's about economy and winning wars, you know....

Mya said:

Voting for Franklin Roosevelt.

It's about economy and winning wars, you know....

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not only did he keep the economy screwed up, his policies and jurisprudence is a major reason why we have massive bloated government today. as to winning wars-we would have most likely won it sooner without FDR

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