View Poll Results: Who Was the Best US President?

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  • Abraham Lincoln

    15 14.15%
  • Franklin Roosevelt

    26 24.53%
  • George Washington

    10 9.43%
  • Thomas Jefferson

    9 8.49%
  • Theodore Roosevelt

    6 5.66%
  • Woodrow Wilson

    1 0.94%
  • Andrew Jackson

    2 1.89%
  • Harry Truman

    0 0%
  • Lyndon Johnson

    2 1.89%
  • Other (please list below)

    35 33.02%
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    Re: Best US President

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    The Indian Removal Act came during Jackson's presidency. The genocide led by General Jackson started long before the trail of tears. Jackson or Sharp Knife as he was known by the indigenous people was a murderer of women and children. Adolf Hitler praised Jackson's genocide. Hitler’s concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of United States history. He admired the camps for the Indians in the wild west. Hitler often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America’s extermination by starvation and uneven combat of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity.
    Godwinn.

    Anyway, whether Hitler praised it or not doesn't change the fact, Jackson's removal of the Indians helped us move Westward (Manifest Destiny).
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    Re: Best US President

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Godwinn.

    Anyway, whether Hitler praised it or not doesn't change the fact, Jackson's removal of the Indians helped us move Westward (Manifest Destiny).
    So you have no problem with Jackson telling his troops to kill all the women and children to complete the extermination? Don't get me wrong, I love my country. I am just about as patriotic a person as you will meet. But the genocide of the indigenous peoples of America and slavery are two severely wrong points in our history and the sooner we face that the better. That includes recognising Andrew Jackson for the genocidal murderer that he was.

    btw, you can call Godwinn all you want but in this case the reference to Hitler is based in fact.
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    Re: Best US President

    What, no votes for W?

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    Re: Best US President

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    So you have no problem with Jackson telling his troops to kill all the women and children to complete the extermination? Don't get me wrong, I love my country. I am just about as patriotic a person as you will meet. But the genocide of the indigenous peoples of America and slavery are two severely wrong points in our history and the sooner we face that the better. That includes recognising Andrew Jackson for the genocidal murderer that he was.
    He helped move the nation Westward. Simple as that. It was common belief then that the Indians were savages and were slowing our expansion.
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    Re: Best US President

    During my lifetime, and Ike was president when I was born. Ronald Regan was the best President. So I choose Regan. I was a Regan Democrat who has since become even more conservative.
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    Re: Best US President

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    So, if a crappy Prez pisses off so many people that someone shoots him; he is then instantly a good Prez?
    if so, then James Garfield is destined for Mt Rushmore.

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    Re: Best US President

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Isn't it strange that the President who founded the Democratic Party was a genocidal murderer of indigenous people and the President who was responsible for freeing the slaves was a Republican?
    Lincoln was the ultimate RINO....

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    Re: Best US President

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    He helped move the nation Westward. Simple as that. It was common belief then that the Indians were savages and were slowing our expansion.
    Is that what you learned watching westerns as a young man or is that what your schools history books taught you. Well I hate to be the one to tell you this but it didn't happen the way your grade school teacher told you it did. And John Wayne was not a heroic Indian fighter he was a Hollywood actor. It was genocide, murder, extermination. It was ugly, it was passing out blanketts infected with small pox because you knew the natives didn't have the imune defenses to fight it. It was poisening the red man with alcohol, it was signing treaty after treaty that you did not intend to keep to steal the land from them. It was massecre of millions including the women and children, it was the Sand Creek Massacre where the Sothern Cheyennes were attacked and murdered in their peaceful winter camp. It was the massacre at Wounded Knee South Dakota. It was wrong and your history books are wrong. We should all learn the truth about this dark time in our history.
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    Re: Best US President

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Is that what you learned watching westerns as a young man or is that what your schools history books taught you. Well I hate to be the one to tell you this but it didn't happen the way your grade school teacher told you it did. And John Wayne was not a heroic Indian fighter he was a Hollywood actor. It was genocide, murder, extermination. It was ugly, it was passing out blanketts infected with small pox because you knew the natives didn't have the imune defenses to fight it. It was poisening the red man with alcohol, it was signing treaty after treaty that you did not intend to keep to steal the land from them. It was massecre of millions including the women and children, it was the Sand Creek Massacre where the Sothern Cheyennes were attacked and murdered in their peaceful winter camp. It was the massacre at Wounded Knee South Dakota. It was wrong and your history books are wrong. We should all learn the truth about this dark time in our history.
    It was Westward expansion. Sure, it was ugly, but it was a part of our expansion.

    Jackson treated the Indian nations as one, as opposed to his predecessors - which treated them as separate nations. The Senate and House both passed the Indian Removal Act. The Act didn't allow forced removal but allowed the President to negotiate treaties with the Indians.

    Given the conflict in Georgia and the attitude of the people at the time, Jackson acted in how the people wanted it - thus, a man for the people.
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    Re: Best US President

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Lincoln was the ultimate RINO....


    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock
    So you have no problem with Jackson telling his troops to kill all the women and children to complete the extermination? Don't get me wrong, I love my country. I am just about as patriotic a person as you will meet. But the genocide of the indigenous peoples of America and slavery are two severely wrong points in our history and the sooner we face that the better. That includes recognising Andrew Jackson for the genocidal murderer that he was.

    btw, you can call Godwinn all you want but in this case the reference to Hitler is based in fact.
    Agreed, the Hitler reference was actually relevant in this case. However, even though I agree that Jackson's policies towards the Indians were horrible, I think it's a stretch to call it genocide. He committed terrible acts of ethnic cleansing and didn't care who was killed. But his main intent was to move the Indians to the West, not kill all of them. So his policies weren't as clear-cut genocide as, say, Hitler's were, where his intention was obviously to kill all the Jews, Roma, etc. That said, calling it genocide is not unreasonable, and it could certainly be argued that his actions constituted genocide.
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