View Poll Results: Who Was the Best US President?

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  • Abraham Lincoln

    15 14.15%
  • Franklin Roosevelt

    26 24.53%
  • George Washington

    10 9.43%
  • Thomas Jefferson

    9 8.49%
  • Theodore Roosevelt

    6 5.66%
  • Woodrow Wilson

    1 0.94%
  • Andrew Jackson

    2 1.89%
  • Harry Truman

    0 0%
  • Lyndon Johnson

    2 1.89%
  • Other (please list below)

    35 33.02%
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    Re: Best US President

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    If FDR had not had his head up his ass and had not been so eager to allow something that would goad congress and the public into supporting a war, the pearl harbor sneak attack could have been wiped out rather easily. If triple A batteries had been up and ready, the ships in the open ocean with air cover up, the Japanese attack would have seen the loss of almost all their planes. bombers would have then followed the stragglers back and taken out most of the japanese carrier fleet. The war would have ended much faster
    I know the conspiracy theory that the pearl harbor attack was allowed to happen so that congress would declare war. I also wonder though if the reality is that FDR had dug in so deep with debt for the new deal that he was hoping to avoid it but then got dragged into it. I do think that the public would have been accepting to the U.S. being involved in the war earlier, although perhaps not with a full congressional declaration.

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    Re: Best US President

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Just FYI, the Democratic party was the conservative party back then and the Republican party was the liberal one. At least by modern definitions of those things. The Democratic party back then was all about limited federal government, states' rights, opposing civil rights, etc. The Republican party was about a stronger federal government, less state's rights, stronger civil rights, etc. They switched sides slowly between about 1900 and 1970, finally forming roughly the ideological camps they are in today when the last of the Dixiecrats converted to the Republican party.
    I am aware of this shift. It dosn't change the facts I stated.
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    Re: Best US President

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Why is Andrew Jackson on the short list. Isn't he the president responsible for the Indian Removal Project. The Cherokee Nations trail of tears in 1838/39. This founder of the Democratic Party was a ruthless genocidal killer. As a General
    his first effort at Indian fighting was waging a war against the Creeks. President Jefferson had appointed him to appropriate Creek and Cherokee lands. In his brutal military campaigns against Indians, Andrew Jackson recommended that troops systematically kill Indian women and children after massacres in order to complete the extermination.
    I don't like Andrew Jackson either. My short list comes from a survey that compared the opinions of liberal and conservative historians on the best US Presidents. Because both groups ranked Jackson on their top ten list, at positions seven and six respectively, I added him to the short list, figuring some people may actually like him. You can find the survey here. Good question.
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    Re: Best US President

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    It's one of his political movements, not the only one. Go read "American Lion."
    Go read "In Bitterness and in Tears" Andrew Jackson's Destruction of the Creeks and Seminoles by Sean Michael O'Brien
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    Re: Best US President

    Quote Originally Posted by NotEliTanenbaum View Post
    I don't like Andrew Jackson either. My short list comes from a survey that compared the opinions of liberal and conservative historians on the best US Presidents. Because both groups ranked Jackson on their top ten list, at positions six and seven respectively, I added him to the short list, figuring some people may actually like him. You can find the survey here. Good question.
    the poll has problems because "best" can mean many things. FDR is ranked highly if you rate him on what he was able to accomplish in terms of his goals. Stalin would be ranked highly for his accomplishments of collectivizing the Russian farms for example. I rate FDR as awful because my criteria involves what the administration did to the USA. He is far worse than ineffectual pathetic presidents like harding, Millard Fillmore, Carter, or Grant since those lightweights didn't really create lasting harm on the USA. Those seen as "great" by some were those who did impose lasting changes and in several cases-the change was deleterious

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    Re: Best US President

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    I am aware of this shift. It dosn't change the facts I stated.
    Yeah, it doesn't. What you said is correct. I just think it's interesting how parties can shift like that. You can see it more clearly in retrospect. Makes you think about what shifts are occurring today. For example, just this year or next year we will be crossing the line where the intellectual property in the US will be worth more than the physical property. What kinds of shifts will that bring about in the way we divide up politically? 30 years ago, on average, more educated people were more likely to vote Republican, today they are more likely to vote Democratic. What shifts are going on because of that?
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: Best US President

    I voted for Abe, but honestly I don't think you can go wrong in the first four. Those guys are all a-one in my book.
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    Re: Best US President

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Yeah, it doesn't. What you said is correct. I just think it's interesting how parties can shift like that. You can see it more clearly in retrospect. Makes you think about what shifts are occurring today. For example, just this year or next year we will be crossing the line where the intellectual property in the US will be worth more than the physical property. What kinds of shifts will that bring about in the way we divide up politically? 30 years ago, on average, more educated people were more likely to vote Republican, today they are more likely to vote Democratic. What shifts are going on because of that?
    the least educated people are also more likely to vote dem. I guess the lesson is that those who want to rule people and those who want to be ruled want big government
    the former because they think they will run it, the latter because they think it will take care of them

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    Re: Best US President

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Go read "In Bitterness and in Tears" Andrew Jackson's Destruction of the Creeks and Seminoles by Sean Michael O'Brien
    Nah. You realize Jackson was pressured heavily by the Western-moving settlers. You really are upset about the Indian Removal Act, huh?
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    Re: Best US President

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Nah. You realize Jackson was pressured heavily by the Western-moving settlers. You really are upset about the Indian Removal Act, huh?
    The Indian Removal Act came during Jackson's presidency. The genocide led by General Jackson started long before the trail of tears. Jackson or Sharp Knife as he was known by the indigenous people was a murderer of women and children. Adolf Hitler praised Jackson's genocide. Hitler’s concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of United States history. He admired the camps for the Indians in the wild west. Hitler often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America’s extermination by starvation and uneven combat of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity.
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