View Poll Results: Who Was the Best US President?

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  • Abraham Lincoln

    15 14.15%
  • Franklin Roosevelt

    26 24.53%
  • George Washington

    10 9.43%
  • Thomas Jefferson

    9 8.49%
  • Theodore Roosevelt

    6 5.66%
  • Woodrow Wilson

    1 0.94%
  • Andrew Jackson

    2 1.89%
  • Harry Truman

    0 0%
  • Lyndon Johnson

    2 1.89%
  • Other (please list below)

    35 33.02%
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    Re: Best US President

    Why is Andrew Jackson on the short list. Isn't he the president responsible for the Indian Removal Project. The Cherokee Nations trail of tears in 1838/39. This founder of the Democratic Party was a ruthless genocidal killer. As a General
    his first effort at Indian fighting was waging a war against the Creeks. President Jefferson had appointed him to appropriate Creek and Cherokee lands. In his brutal military campaigns against Indians, Andrew Jackson recommended that troops systematically kill Indian women and children after massacres in order to complete the extermination.
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    Re: Best US President

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Why is Andrew Jackson on the short list. Isn't he the president responsible for the Indian Removal Project. The Cherokee Nations trail of tears in 1838/39. This founder of the Democratic Party was a ruthless genocidal killer. As a General
    his first effort at Indian fighting was waging a war against the Creeks. President Jefferson had appointed him to appropriate Creek and Cherokee lands. In his brutal military campaigns against Indians, Andrew Jackson recommended that troops systematically kill Indian women and children after massacres in order to complete the extermination.
    true and we can blame him for Lieyawatha's candidacy (dizzie Lizzie Warren)

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    Re: Best US President

    I went with FDR, but it's a hard call. Really their is a tier that FDR, Lincoln and Washington are in where it is hard to rank them, but the three of them are clearly radically far above any of the others in terms of their historical importance. Without any of the three of them, we would not recognize the US. They are monumental titans of history and any of the three would be a very reasonable answer. Their presidencies are watersheds in US history. Our entire legal system, our ideas of the role of government, our economy, our constitution and our national security were all dominated by the actions of those three men for many decades and the marks they left were truly permanent.

    In my view, LBJ and Reagan form a second tier. They each dramatically shifted the direction of the country. LBJ brought an end to segregation and rammed the civil rights act through Congress and established a number of the modern functions of government. Reagan invented the notion that we should hate and fear the poor and dote on the super rich, which still today is the reigning economic position in national policy. But, IMO, neither of them approaches the stature of FDR, Lincoln or Washington.
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    Re: Best US President

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    FDR was not a failure if you supported massive mutations of the constitution, massive expansion of the federal government and rejection of over 100 years of precedent by the USSC. So FDR was certainly a "great president" to the left. For those of us who wanted the limited federal government the founders envisioned, FDR was the most malignant and pernicious president ever with Wilson and LBJ close seconds for the same reasons
    Without a doubt - I always like hearing other's arguments. You never know, he could say he was a failure because he suffered from Polio for all I know.
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    Re: Best US President

    Isn't it strange that the President who founded the Democratic Party was a genocidal murderer of indigenous people and the President who was responsible for freeing the slaves was a Republican?
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    Re: Best US President

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I went with FDR, but it's a hard call. Really their is a tier that FDR, Lincoln and Washington are in where it is hard to rank them, but the three of them are clearly radically far above any of the others in terms of their historical importance. Without any of the three of them, we would not recognize the US. They are monumental titans of history and any of the three would be a very reasonable answer. Their presidencies are watersheds in US history. Our entire legal system, our ideas of the role of government, our economy, our constitution and our national security were all dominated by the actions of those three men for many decades and the marks they left were truly permanent.

    In my view, LBJ and Reagan form a second tier. They each dramatically shifted the direction of the country. LBJ brought an end to segregation and rammed the civil rights act through Congress and established a number of the modern functions of government. Reagan invented the notion that we should hate and fear the poor and dote on the super rich, which still today is the reigning economic position in national policy. But, IMO, neither of them approaches the stature of FDR, Lincoln or Washington.
    silly hackery at its worst

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    Re: Best US President

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Why is Andrew Jackson on the short list. Isn't he the president responsible for the Indian Removal Project. The Cherokee Nations trail of tears in 1838/39. This founder of the Democratic Party was a ruthless genocidal killer. As a General
    his first effort at Indian fighting was waging a war against the Creeks. President Jefferson had appointed him to appropriate Creek and Cherokee lands. In his brutal military campaigns against Indians, Andrew Jackson recommended that troops systematically kill Indian women and children after massacres in order to complete the extermination.
    He also preferred a limited government and advocated states' rights. He didn't renew the central bank, either.
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    Re: Best US President

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Isn't it strange that the President who founded of the Democratic Party was a genocidal murderer of indigenous people and the President who was responsible for freeing the slaves was a Republican?
    Just FYI, the Democratic party was the conservative party back then and the Republican party was the liberal one. At least by modern definitions of those things. The Democratic party back then was all about limited federal government, states' rights, opposing civil rights, etc. The Republican party was about a stronger federal government, less state's rights, stronger civil rights, etc. They switched sides slowly between about 1900 and 1970, finally forming roughly the ideological camps they are in today when the last of the Dixiecrats converted to the Republican party.
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    Re: Best US President

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    He also preferred a limited government and advocated states' rights. He didn't renew the central bank, either.
    Oh in that case I guess his campaign of genocide can be overlooked. I mean afterall they were only savages not human beings.

    Im sorry, the guy was a murderer of women and children. He should be on the list of worst presidents ever.
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    Re: Best US President

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Oh in that case I guess his campaign of genocide can be overlooked. I mean afterall they were only savages not human beings.
    It's one of his political movements, not the only one. Go read "American Lion."
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