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Best US President

Who Was the Best US President?

  • Abraham Lincoln

    Votes: 15 19.0%
  • Franklin Roosevelt

    Votes: 20 25.3%
  • George Washington

    Votes: 9 11.4%
  • Thomas Jefferson

    Votes: 5 6.3%
  • Theodore Roosevelt

    Votes: 4 5.1%
  • Woodrow Wilson

    Votes: 1 1.3%
  • Andrew Jackson

    Votes: 2 2.5%
  • Harry Truman

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Lyndon Johnson

    Votes: 1 1.3%
  • Other (please list below)

    Votes: 22 27.8%

  • Total voters
    79
so we now have a WEALTH TAX

stupid statement

we have a tax on income and the top 5% pay a far higher share of the INCOME TAX than their share of the INCOME
If we're going to divide things up by who uses what then we should have a wealth tax for the military budget.
 
If we're going to divide things up by who uses what then we should have a wealth tax for the military budget.


that's idiotic but I have a great idea

us right-wingers who consider the military a proper government function can pay for that. and you left-wingers can pay for all the crap that only became "constitutional" after FDR's pet lapdogs on the USSC found them to be OK despite rejecting 140 years of precedent.

Guess who is gonna see their taxes go down

guess who is going to be in the poorhouse?
 
that's idiotic but I have a great idea
Of course, you'd think so. You might actually have to pay for what you use. Egads! The horror! :eek:
 
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us right-wingers who consider the military a proper government function can pay for that. and you left-wingers can pay for all the crap that only became "constitutional" after FDR's pet lapdogs on the USSC found them to be OK despite rejecting 140 years of precedent.
You really think there's that big of a difference?
 
Newsflash, TD, by your standards 95% of us are ALREADY in the poor house - so that's not much of a threat.


where did you come up with that idiocy.
 
in terms of what
costs
or constitutional validity
Not going to listen to your chant about Constitutionality. You and the Pro-lifers need to get some cheese and have a whine session about SCOTUS decisions.
 
Your not in the Top 5%? I'm sorry, I could have sworn you said that ... :shrug:

try reading a bit better-where did I say everyone in the bottom 95% was poor? not being rich DOES NOT MEAN you are necessarily poor. Just as not being brilliant does not necessarily mean you are a moron
 
Not going to listen to your chant about Constitutionality. You and the Pro-lifers need to get some cheese and have a whine session about SCOTUS decisions.

translation-you don't have the ability to argue constitutional issues.

but gee I already know that. Do you think I am a pro lifer?
 
translation-you don't have the ability to argue constitutional issues.

but gee I already know that. Do you think I am a pro lifer?
Then why did you bother - other than being your usual self and blowing your own horn or whatever? :roll:


But you and the Pro-lifers do have that in common. You whine a lot about SCOTUS decisions. What else you may have in common I don't really care. If you're true to my idea of what a Libertarian is then you should be pro-choice but some of your Libertarian brothers seem to disagree, so I'm not really sure. :shrug:
 
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try reading a bit better-where did I say everyone in the bottom 95% was poor? not being rich DOES NOT MEAN you are necessarily poor. Just as not being brilliant does not necessarily mean you are a moron
So someone who makes significantly less than you isn't poor compared to you? Did you turn communist or something??


There are people that are poor compared to me, though nowhere near 95% of the country.
 
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Rank || Name || Important notes

1. George Washington || First President, set the trend for the rest of them
2. Abraham Lincoln ||Racist Republican who freed the slaves from the nice anti-racist democrats
3. Ronald Reagan ||Best modern president
...
42. Bill Clinton || Hundreds of confessed affairs, impeached, lied under oath, not convicted by the gutless senate
43. Franklin D. Roosevelt || Spent Lots and Lots and Lots of money on temporary jobs, introduced socialism with his social security policy, and one of the main problems of his time
44. Barrack Obama || Hurts to type the name under "Presidents" category... Managed to win the nobel peace prize, carpet bombed libya without congress's permission,
helped the muslim brotherhood take over a country to setup sharia law, managed to become pppprresident even though he was ineligible, destroyed jobs, the economy (If you want to disagree with the jobs thing look at how he counts unemployment), paid millions to hide his birth certificate, which isn't suspicious at all, has no colleagues from college to say "Yea he was my room mate", Constantly increases debt, outspent FDR in his 2.5 year term, as well as bush, manages to slip by unnoticed by playing the race card, has a constant vote supply from all the welfare-addicts, refuses to allow us to drill for oil, but brazil can (maybe his friends are invested in brazils oil industry), -but hey, what do you want from a ruling elitist. :rantoff:
 
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the least educated people are also more likely to vote dem. I guess the lesson is that those who want to rule people and those who want to be ruled want big government
the former because they think they will run it, the latter because they think it will take care of them

Truly, the least educated people might actually believe this. Anyone who does, would most likely vote Republican anyways. Just sayin'. :roll:

Even though liberals are the most educated and affluent ideological demographic, moderates tend to become increasingly conservative with increased economic prosperity,[4] causing the professional class to be split between Republicans and Democrats.[11] <snip> Political ideologies in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As President Bush once said: ""As people do better, they start voting like Republicans, unless they have too much education. Then they vote Democratic, which proves that there can be too much of a good thing. After all, it is easier to govern sheep because they don't have to think."

--As quoted by George W. Bush, at the National Oil and Power Company Convention, Dallas, TX., 1999.
G.W. Bush on Voting Republican vs. Democratic? - Netlore Archive

But, voting republican doesn't automatically make one stupid. Even smart people, with increased prosperity, (education and wealth are directly proportional) become increasingly conservitive. Not that they are any less smarter than they once were, but feel the Republicans will better represent them and their wealth. I do believe that is a very good reason. If I were a rich fat cat I most likely would vote GOP too. They are all about the wealthy people. But that wouldn't necessarily make me stupid, per se.

G.W. Bush on Voting Republican vs. Democratic? - Netlore Archive

Read more: What sociological factors affect voting

In recent years persons with four-year college or university degrees have tended to vote Democratic.

What sociological factors affect voting

Barack Obama leads John McCain by a significant margin among voters with the most education, but trails the likely Republican nominee among voters with the least formal education.

Obama Education Gap Extends to General Election

For 14 states and the District of Columbia, 30% or more of voters 25 and older had a bachelor's degree in 2008. All 14 of those states and the District of Columbia were carried by President Obama (California, Colorado, Connecticut, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, Virginia, and Washington).

Do more educated Americans vote Democratic, and less educated Americans Republican?


I could go on. But the lesser educated people here wouldn't believe me anyways.

My work here is done.

Carry on....
 
Rank || Name || Important notes

1. George Washington || First President, set the trend for the rest of them
2. Abraham Lincoln ||Racist Republican who freed the slaves from the nice anti-racist democrats
3. Ronald Reagan ||Best modern president
...
42. Bill Clinton || Hundreds of confessed affairs, impeached, lied under oath, not convicted by the gutless senate
43. Franklin D. Roosevelt || Spent Lots and Lots and Lots of money on temporary jobs, introduced socialism with his social security policy, and one of the main problems of his time
44. Barrack Obama || Hurts to type the name under "Presidents" category... Managed to win the nobel peace prize, carpet bombed libya without congress's permission,
helped the muslim brotherhood take over a country to setup sharia law, managed to become pppprresident even though he was ineligible, destroyed jobs, the economy (If you want to disagree with the jobs thing look at how he counts unemployment), paid millions to hide his birth certificate, which isn't suspicious at all, has no colleagues from college to say "Yea he was my room mate", Constantly increases debt, outspent FDR in his 2.5 year term, as well as bush, manages to slip by unnoticed by playing the race card, has a constant vote supply from all the welfare-addicts, refuses to allow us to drill for oil, but brazil can (maybe his friends are invested in brazils oil industry), -but hey, what do you want from a ruling elitist. :rantoff:

Whoa whoa whoa. Reagan was not the 3rd best President ever.

Federal spending increased during his Presidency.
Payroll tax increases resulted in a net tax increase for most Americans.
Reagan promised to abolish JC's new Cabinet departments, Education and Energy, yet he appointed secretaries dedicated to their preservation.
Reagan only eliminated one major federal program, the Comprehensive Employment and Training Act (which was reborn around nine years later).
Reagan truly enacted the War on Drugs, entitling it a "national security threat" and saying it was "tyranny." This led to many more incarcerations (I think we are still number one in the First world!).
 
That criticism merely reflects the contemporary and temporary multiculturalist illusion about right and wrong conduct between natural enemies.

No, that criticism is based in fact. The fact is that AJ on orders from Thomas Jefferson orderd his troops to murder women and children of the Creek and Cherokee nations. That is documented

Andrew Jackson | Unsettling America
 
Truly, the least educated people might actually believe this. Anyone who does, would most likely vote Republican anyways. Just sayin'. :roll:

Even though liberals are the most educated and affluent ideological demographic, moderates tend to become increasingly conservative with increased economic prosperity,[4] causing the professional class to be split between Republicans and Democrats.[11] <snip> Political ideologies in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As President Bush once said: ""As people do better, they start voting like Republicans, unless they have too much education. Then they vote Democratic, which proves that there can be too much of a good thing. After all, it is easier to govern sheep because they don't have to think."

--As quoted by George W. Bush, at the National Oil and Power Company Convention, Dallas, TX., 1999.
G.W. Bush on Voting Republican vs. Democratic? - Netlore Archive

But, voting republican doesn't automatically make one stupid. Even smart people, with increased prosperity, (education and wealth are directly proportional) become increasingly conservitive. Not that they are any less smarter than they once were, but feel the Republicans will better represent them and their wealth. I do believe that is a very good reason. If I were a rich fat cat I most likely would vote GOP too. They are all about the wealthy people. But that wouldn't necessarily make me stupid, per se.

G.W. Bush on Voting Republican vs. Democratic? - Netlore Archive

Read more: What sociological factors affect voting

In recent years persons with four-year college or university degrees have tended to vote Democratic.

What sociological factors affect voting

Barack Obama leads John McCain by a significant margin among voters with the most education, but trails the likely Republican nominee among voters with the least formal education.

Obama Education Gap Extends to General Election

For 14 states and the District of Columbia, 30% or more of voters 25 and older had a bachelor's degree in 2008. All 14 of those states and the District of Columbia were carried by President Obama (California, Colorado, Connecticut, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, Virginia, and Washington).

Do more educated Americans vote Democratic, and less educated Americans Republican?


I could go on. But the lesser educated people here wouldn't believe me anyways.

My work here is done.

Carry on....

I suspect were and how you are educated has a large effect on how one votes. For instance, compare voters from Harvard or other Ivy League school and say Hillsdale or Brigam Young or a service Academie. Compare those voters with those who are self made self educated. Cheers :)
 
Then why did you bother - other than being your usual self and blowing your own horn or whatever? :roll:


But you and the Pro-lifers do have that in common. You whine a lot about SCOTUS decisions. What else you may have in common I don't really care. If you're true to my idea of what a Libertarian is then you should be pro-choice but some of your Libertarian brothers seem to disagree, so I'm not really sure. :shrug:
Your a Libertarian????:confused:
 
Next thing ya know the big bad government might try getting electricity to people in Tennessee!
If it comes out of YOUR pocket and not mine then I am game. I do NOT want to pay for someone elses cell phones, electricity, food or anything else I am expected to provide for myself. I can care less if we are only giving to ONLY the unluckiest of the unlucky. I will pick my own charities thank you. I am tired of being everybodies piggy bank. Get your own damn money. :violin
 
If it comes out of YOUR pocket and not mine then I am game. I do NOT want to pay for someone elses cell phones, electricity, food or anything else I am expected to provide for myself. I can care less if we are only giving to ONLY the unluckiest of the unlucky. I will pick my own charities thank you. I am tired of being everybodies piggy bank. Get your own damn money. :violin

I guess you are not to familiar with things like the Tennessee Valley Authority or perhaps other things like Hoover Dam
 
I guess you are not to familiar with things like the Tennessee Valley Authority or perhaps other things like Hoover Dam

I very much am. I am against them. I would prefer not to have them.
 
Teddy was the most badass President, that's for sure. But as for the best, I'd say FDR. He did well in such trying times aka The Great Depression. Not perfect, but he did well.
 
Teddy was the most badass President, that's for sure. But as for the best, I'd say FDR. He did well in such trying times aka The Great Depression. Not perfect, but he did well.

so you like our massive debt and runaway federal government? then you truly appreciate FDR
 
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