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  • Yes, their power has waxed and now it shall wane.

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  • Unions will respond and their power will grow.

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  • It depends on November.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I misspoke, I should have said the conservatives should be all over it.


    I know, you want a volunteer government and military. Good luck making that work in the modern world.
    You know so much about me.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    People influencing the government have no power over me. The government has power over me, which is why they are trying to influence the government.
    Yes, I know, you have been indoctrinated well. That doesn't change the facts.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    In order to produce goods to be sold, a business purchases factors of production, namely land labor and capital. The fact that one purchases inputs in order to produce products does not mean that one's inventory of finished goods belongs to anyone else.
    The "ownership" (as you call it) of product depends on the laws of society. There is nothing innate or natural about property rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Inventory is the exclusive property of the business. Do you dispute this? Then, when the business sells its inventory, the proceeds are the exclusive property of the business. Do you dispute this?
    Yes. Yes. All property in America is subject to law.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Oh so we didn't take land from the Indians. I like how you use arguments when they work for you.
    I don't believe I ever said anyone took land from the Indians. YOU made that assumption and said it, not me.

    That particular argument was left at how far back in time you wanted to go to find this "original owner" of yours. It was also in that little discussion that I mentioned the same thing as I did here, explaining that ancient tribes "owned" the land only in so far as they stopped other tribes from using it. I'm sure you won't remember any of that, though. Your selective memory has been noted many times.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You know so much about me.
    You're a self-professed minarchists. That's all I need to know.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I don't believe I ever said anyone took land from the Indians. YOU made that assumption and said it, not me.

    That particular argument was left at how far back in time you wanted to go to find this "original owner" of yours. It was also in that little discussion that I mentioned the same thing as I did here, explaining that ancient tribes "owned" the land only in so far as they stopped other tribes from using it. I'm sure you won't remember any of that, though. Your selective memory has been noted many times.
    Do you know what you bolded means? I don't think you do.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    true but those of us who attended private schools and/or send our kids to private schools tend to be those with large property tax bills meaning we are paying for the education of others as well as tuition for our own kids--and guess what, I don't have a real problem with that since I have the option of sending my son to the excellent but very large public school in our prosperous town. I don't. But I don't really have a problem with some tax dollars (I don't know if they do) helping the school junior attends.

    Private schools also have something public schools often do not-parents who really care. that is worth a ton when it comes to achievement test scores etc.

    and thankfully, my son's school can hire those who have actually expertise in a given subject rather than wasting their time on getting the BS M Ed degrees the teachers unions demand in our public schools. Every teacher I had at that school save maybe 1-3 had masters, 2 had doctorates. My AP biology teacher had a masters in that subject from Williams. My English teacher-a Masters from Columbia, History-PhD Harvard, Math-U of Penn and so on
    Are you suugesting that having an educated populace doesn't help you at all?

    Yes, private schools have advantages, which make them look better. What do you think happens to them if they lost those advantages and had to deal with the general populace?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If the fire department was private yes.
    Not so much.

    Quality matters to everything. Don't try to separate certain fields like fire and education.
    Does it? then why do we sell so many things of low quality in the market?



    What does this have to do with what you said above?
    It's fairly obvious. If we go the route of the market place, crap will be sold, and a profit will be made off of that crap. But it would not improve education.

    Tell me, why is a doctor paid so much? Do you really think it is the degree? Or it perhaps the skill and the rarity and value of such a skill? However none of what I just said matters when talking about public school teachers.
    Yeah, I think his degree matters. The degree shows he has shown mastery of his field. Yes, it matters. But please, feel free to go to someone without one. I'm sure your hairdresser will do just fine.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Does it? then why do we sell so many things of low quality in the market?
    The market has been known to have crappy products, so what?



    It's fairly obvious. If we go the route of the market place, crap will be sold, and a profit will be made off of that crap. But it would not improve education.
    You're pretending I'm hiding the fact that the market sells crap and its a bit pathetic. You're also pretending that the government doesn't sell crap. Tell me, which is better? The crap you can get away from or the crap you can't? You tell me. Competition DOES improve education and the existence of crap is exactly why. I have nothing to hide from or not admit, sorry.


    Yeah, I think his degree matters. The degree shows he has shown mastery of his field. Yes, it matters. But please, feel free to go to someone without one. I'm sure your hairdresser will do just fine.
    It doesn't show he has a mastery of his field. What kind of nonsense is that? Tell me the last time someone came out of college and had a mastery of their field? Oh right, it never happens. Regardless, you are still not answering the important question that is needed to be answered. How does have a degree in whatever field mean a certain wage is deserved and anything else is unacceptable?

    And you don't really want to go to doctors for being masters of their craft since many rely on the Internet these days.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Today's quiz ~

    Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb

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