View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Hundreds of reports and you can't find one to post to prove the point? Riiiigghhhttt!
    Actually they are easy to find see: Average salaries for full-time teachers in public and private elementary and secondary schools, by selected characteristics: 2007-08

    The gap seems to be closing slowly, yet private are still lower on average than public. The farther back you go the more the difference was, in the above link it is a bit over $11K/year on average, in favor of the public school teachers. I have not found more recent data yet.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    They earned it. What makes you think you have the right to take from them? Oh right, nothing.
    Why do the rich deserve to keep more of their money than the working class?
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Why do the rich deserve to keep more of their money than the working class?
    *Sigh* That has to do with what I said how?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Your report compares public teachers with those in private schools which make substandard wages compared to the rest of the private sector with comparable education. How do public employees compare with comparable education in the other private sector jobs.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I would close for the night noting that maybe excusing failure and encouraging dependency has done more to create an income gap than the left would like to admit. Its hard to buy the votes of addicts by telling them they need to kick the addiction of dependency: its easier to seduce them by telling them if that vote for you, you will make others pay for their fix.

    Public sector unions are an abomination to me-they don't guarantee quality (unlike real trade unions) and they don't bargain in good faith since those "bargaining" with them are often their stooges. They drive up costs and that penalizes hard working private sector people
    How do trade unions guarantee quality

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Your report compares public teachers with those in private schools which make substandard wages compared to the rest of the private sector with comparable education. How do public employees compare with comparable education in the other private sector jobs.
    That is the lamest argument possible. Perhaps a CLUE is that teachers get about 3 months of the year OFF. Lets compare them to ANYTHING other than to what our OWN gov't does, in the stats that I provided for YOU. At least try to accept reality, e.g. teachers = teachers, not some OTHER occupation requiring a similar amount of college education; you are starting to sound like one of those ERA loons, that compares a daycare worker with a roofer. ;-)
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is the lamest argument possible. Perhaps a CLUE is that teachers get about 3 months of the year OFF. Lets compare them to ANYTHING other than our OWN gov't does in the stats that I provided for YOU. ;-)
    "This finding, and previous research by the same authors (Biggs and Richwine 2011), are at odds with a large body of research showing that public school teachers and other government workers have total compensation that is lower—or at least no higher—than that of comparable private-sector workers (see, for example, Allegretto, Corcoran, and Mishel 2004, 2008, 2011; Bender and Heywood 2010; Keefe 2010; Munnell et al. 2011; Schmitt 2010). Furthermore, the “teaching penalty” has grown, as teachers’ and other public-sector workers’ pay has declined relative to that of comparable private-sector workers (Allegretto, Corcoran, and Mishel 2008, 2011; Bender and Heywood 2010).

    Do public school teachers really receive lavish benefits?: Richwine and Biggs
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I wonder if you are aware why Buffet supports such an idea.
    Perhaps you can enlighten us. Don't forget to cite your sources.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You have not proven your premise that unionized public workers make more than their private sector counterparts.
    Seriously? You are now the emperor with no clothes.

    In reality, you know public sector unions earn substantially more than US average. I have given very specific evidence for that. There is only one reason you are denying it. You are desperate. You are completely unable to respond to my arguments, and instead you deny facts that everyone knows is true.

    You are a believer in trickle down economics. However, you believe in a liberal version of it. That increase union wages for the rich, will increase wages for everyone.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    They earned it. What makes you think you have the right to take from them? Oh right, nothing.
    What you're doing is just what is called "begging the question". You're assuming your premise in order to prove it. If we had a different sort of a system, say companies with profit sharing programs, then you would feel that the employees had earned those profits too. You just are assuming that whoever is collecting the money is the one earning it. That isn't an argument against a system where the earnings go to the people who work for them rather than the owners.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I wonder if you are aware why Buffet supports such an idea.
    Oh course. Why?
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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