View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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  • Yes, their power has waxed and now it shall wane.

    44 60.27%
  • Unions will respond and their power will grow.

    14 19.18%
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't know what you're talking about -- and neither do you.
    Uh, oh yes - you do know what I'm talking about and you now it. So, rather than brush it off: credibly refute it.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    I would close for the night noting that maybe excusing failure and encouraging dependency has done more to create an income gap than the left would like to admit. Its hard to buy the votes of addicts by telling them they need to kick the addiction of dependency: its easier to seduce them by telling them if that vote for you, you will make others pay for their fix.

    Public sector unions are an abomination to me-they don't guarantee quality (unlike real trade unions) and they don't bargain in good faith since those "bargaining" with them are often their stooges. They drive up costs and that penalizes hard working private sector people

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You have not proven your premise that unionized public workers make more than their private sector counterparts.
    You obviously are oblivious to the hundreds of reports that have come out in the last year demonstrating that to be true

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You didn't read very well

    I asked how many you want to kill-I never claimed any died

    as usually you misconstrued what I said
    Your implication was plainly that slightly higher taxes would kill the rich. Glad to hear you are now retracting that.


    So tell us how the rich suffered in the 90's from paying a slightly higher tax rate?
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    More evasions

    a company would be idiotic to pay too much for labor-especially labor that contributes to enemies of the company
    Ya'know, I think that's the stupidest thing you've ever said. Change my mind.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You obviously are oblivious to the hundreds of reports that have come out in the last year demonstrating that to be true
    Hundreds of reports and you can't find one to post to prove the point? Riiiigghhhttt!
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I would close for the night noting that maybe excusing failure and encouraging dependency has done more to create an income gap than the left would like to admit. Its hard to buy the votes of addicts by telling them they need to kick the addiction of dependency: its easier to seduce them by telling them if that vote for you, you will make others pay for their fix.

    Public sector unions are an abomination to me-they don't guarantee quality (unlike real trade unions) and they don't bargain in good faith since those "bargaining" with them are often their stooges. They drive up costs and that penalizes hard working private sector people
    "Thhhhbbbbb" . . . . Will you please say something that we can atribute to a "thinking" opinion that shows us that you have some sort of connection to reality: ya'know, something you might think about off the toilet.
    Last edited by jet57; 06-12-12 at 12:30 AM.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I would close for the night noting that maybe excusing failure and encouraging dependency has done more to create an income gap than the left would like to admit. Its hard to buy the votes of addicts by telling them they need to kick the addiction of dependency: its easier to seduce them by telling them if that vote for you, you will make others pay for their fix.

    Public sector unions are an abomination to me-they don't guarantee quality (unlike real trade unions) and they don't bargain in good faith since those "bargaining" with them are often their stooges. They drive up costs and that penalizes hard working private sector people
    If your idle speculation about dependency overcoming the positive effects of safety net spending were true, wouldn't we find that countries that spend more on poverty amelioration have wider income gaps? In actuality we find the opposite. The speculation about dependency seems to be the core of your entire belief system. Do you have any evidence to support it?
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Lets just take it back a step. Different societies split up the proceeds of people's labors differently. Some give the lion's share to the person actually doing the work, others give a larger share to the owner of the company. The US has the dial cranked as far in favor of the owner as possible. You seem to think that having the dial cranked as far that way as possible is some sort of god given right the super rich have. So, again, why is that? Why do you feel that they are owed so very much of our GDP?
    They earned it. What makes you think you have the right to take from them? Oh right, nothing.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    No. The Buffet rule, the estate tax, increasing capital gains, restoring financial regulation, regulating polluters, employers and producers, etc, all are overwhelmingly focused on the actual rich. But, that's great that you concede that we're right at least that far. If your only quibble is about the minor collateral damage to folks making $200k/year, then we essentially are in agreement. Minor nuances like that can certainly be worked out.
    I wonder if you are aware why Buffet supports such an idea.

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