View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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  • Yes, their power has waxed and now it shall wane.

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  • Unions will respond and their power will grow.

    14 19.18%
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Thread: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Your pathetic attempt to justify treating people unfairly because it didn't kill them is as moronic as it comes
    You are the one that made the claim that rich people died due to the slightly higher tax rates in the 90s. So tell us, since you now admit that they didn't die, how did the rich suffer then like the working class is now?
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I really tire of the whining. If the dems were talking about the super rich who can manipulate their income the way Buffett does you might have a semblance of a point. THe problem is you whine about the super rich yet the policies you support attack anyone who makes more than a couple hundred K a year Hardly the rich or the uber wealthy. and you lump everyone in that group into targeting them as robber barons. you can pretend you do this for the "good of the society" but really, it looks like sour grapes and envy given how much whining and dishonesty that comes from the "tax the rich" crowd
    No. The Buffet rule, the estate tax, increasing capital gains, restoring financial regulation, regulating polluters, employers and producers, etc, all are overwhelmingly focused on the actual rich. But, that's great that you concede that we're right at least that far. If your only quibble is about the minor collateral damage to folks making $200k/year, then we essentially are in agreement. Minor nuances like that can certainly be worked out.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Proof of your premise before we proceed to discussion based on your premise.
    Sure,
    In 2011, among full-time wage and salary workers, union members had
    median usual weekly earnings of $938, while those who were not union
    members had median weekly earnings of $729
    Union Members Summary

    This is for both private sector and public sector. Public sector workers earn more than private sector workers. Also, the ones with strong unions earn even more. And we haven't even talked about compensation, and retirement benefits. Many public union workers earn significantly above average.

    Liberals like to talk about trickle down economics, but their secret is that they have their own trickle down economics. They believe increasing the wages of rich union workers will increase the wages of poor people.
    Last edited by Camlon; 06-12-12 at 12:11 AM.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are the one that made the claim that rich people died due to the slightly higher tax rates in the 90s. So tell us, since you now admit that they didn't die, how did the rich suffer then like the working class is now?
    stop lying-I never made that claim. You asked a stupid question that suggests that if something doesn't kills someone its not bad.

    The rich don't have a duty to suffer just because someone else does. Its not the rich's fault that you don't make as much as you think you ought to-that is your fault and your fault alone not mine, Not Bill Gates' not Warren Buffett's not Lebron James or Lady GaGa's.

    I guess you think if someone gets wasted by some nasty disease others ought to suffer too?

    Tell me Catawba-what have you ever done that would justify me paying more taxes so you could have more?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Sure,

    Union Members Summary

    The ones with strong unions earn even more. This is for both private sector and public sector. Public sector workers earn more than private sector workers, and we haven't even talked about compensation, and retirement benefits. Many union workers earn significantly above average.
    We were discussing public unions and you provided data for all unions.

    That does not prove that public union workers make more than the private sector. Please try again.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    stop lying-I never made that claim.
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    How many rich people do you want to kill and take their wealth in order to slake your feelings of being treated unfairly by the "system"?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We were discussing public unions and you provided data for all unions.

    That does not prove that public union workers make more than the private sector. Please try again.
    So you are stating that although
    1. Public sector earn significantly more than private sector
    2. Union workers earn significantly more than non-union workers.

    But somehow, public sector union earn less than US average. That makes no sense, and the only reason you are denying it is because you are desperate.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    .............
    You didn't read very well

    I asked how many you want to kill-I never claimed any died

    as usually you misconstrued what I said

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are the one that made the claim that rich people died due to the slightly higher tax rates in the 90s. So tell us, since you now admit that they didn't die, how did the rich suffer then like the working class is now?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Poor or LOW INCOME-not the same thing as poverty

    and while my grandfather was a millionaire more than a few times over. he died without ever having a "remote control" an I-Pad, a plasma tv, a cell phone, a blackberry and most of his life he didn't live in a house with air-conditioning. All stuff that most of our "poor" take for granted.

    Go and meet with the people living next to the runways at the Cali airport in Columbia or the nomadic tribesman on the plains of Tanzania and then get back to me what poverty really means
    Your right...they are not the same, but in the end they amount to the same. This is the issue here turtle, its not about people looking for something for free and I admit theres to many of those..I dont defend those bottom feeders...I loathe them as much as you...However,
    This assumption that public workers that get up everyday and go to work are in that category ruffles my feathers. Many have a college degree requirment....some are providing a great needed service to society and they way they are being denigrated for political gain I find dispicable.
    I know very well how intelligent you have to be to be where you are, knowing that I know you have to know that low income people and those in poverty are in the millions and growing, whether you want to pay taxs or not some one is going to have to pay to take care of them because they will NOT have the means do do it themselves...having them contribute to social security isnt a bad thing...they do contribute to it...and if the Politicians hadnt robbed OUR MONEY out of the fund and left it there it would be solvent for the next 100 yrs.
    Somewhere along the line all the unemployed and underemployed and all these low paid service workers are going to have to be cared for and theres no way getting around that. Walmart turtle..frickin WALMART is the United States biggest employer that just sucks

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Public sector earn significantly more than private sector
    You have not proven your premise that unionized public workers make more than their private sector counterparts.
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