View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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Thread: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    How much freedom are you willing to destroy in order to make life "fair". How many rich people do you want to kill and take their wealth in order to slake your feelings of being treated unfairly by the "system"?
    How many rich people died in the 1990s due to having their tax rate a few percentage points??? Do tell us how the rich suffered so in the 90's! We are listening.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It took long enough for you to admit that you think until the working class in this country are as poor as the nomadic tribesman on the plains of Tanzania, they should keep sacrificing to maintain the record wealth of the 1%.

    Thanks for being honest! Its like pulling teeth with you.
    I want to significantly reduce income inequality, and I also oppose your view on public sector unions.

    As I said before, public sector unions hurt the poor. The poor do not benefit from higher costs, higher taxes and lower quality on their public services.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    I want to significantly reduce income inequality, and I also oppose your view on public sector unions.
    How do you propose to significantly reduce income inequality by reducing income of the working class?

    As I said before, public sector unions hurt the poor. The poor do not benefit from higher costs, higher taxes and lower quality on their public services.
    You have not made that case.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How many rich people died in the 1990s due to having their tax rate a few percentage points??? Do tell us how the rich suffered so in the 90's! We are listening.

    How many people died in GITMO? You are really setting the record for stupid questions. Why does someone who does well have a duty to fund all the stuff you want because you aren't industrious enough to fund your own wants and wishes.

    Your life is not the fault of someone who happens to have worked harder and or smarter than you have. The son of someone who worked hard and smart and left him wealth doesn't owe you anything either just because your parents did not. LIfe isn't fair and the sooner you figure that out and stop wanting the tooth fairy or santa claus to make life fair for you, the better you will end up being.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How do you propose to significantly reduce income inequality by reducing income of the working class?
    Many of the ones who work in public sector unions earn significantly above average. What people like you have suggested is some kind of trickle down economics where making rich public union workers richer, the poor will get richer as well. But that is in reality incorrect.

    Reality is, Democrats work for rich liberals. Republicans work for rich conservatives.

    You have not made that case.
    Yes I have, read my last post, on page 65.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    faulty premise. Wage and hour laws and minimum wage as well as the death/estate taxes and a progressive income tax that makes the top 5% pay more of the tax bill than the rest of the country combined cut against your idiotic claim that it is cranked as far as possible

    that is a lie and you know it.
    It's certainly cranked farther in favor of the rich than it has been ever before in modern history in the US and farther than it is in any other first world country... I don't know, maybe it is possible to turn it a bit further that way before it would trigger a revolution... But not much farther. IMO this is about as far as a country can go in that direction.

    Tax rates are only part of it though. You also have deregulation, which essentially just means the rich are allowed to impose their costs on the general public. You have labor laws designed to favor the rich over working people. You have things like school vouchers that largely just boil down to welfare checks for the rich. You have financial deregulation that allows the rich to scam huge amounts of money out of normal people. You have requirements that the board of directors be elected exclusively by the owners instead of some seats going to the employees. Etc.
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    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    How many people died in GITMO?
    So you admit that no rich people died in the 90's due to not getting quite as big tax cut, as you implied earlier, thank you!
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Many of the ones who work in public sector unions earn significantly above average.
    Proof of your premise before we proceed to discussion based on your premise.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    It's certainly cranked farther in favor of the rich than it has been ever before in modern history in the US and farther than it is in any other first world country... I don't know, maybe it is possible to turn it a bit further that way before it would trigger a revolution... But not much farther. IMO this is about as far as a country can go in that direction.

    I really tire of the whining. If the dems were talking about the super rich who can manipulate their income the way Buffett does you might have a semblance of a point. THe problem is you whine about the super rich yet the policies you support attack anyone who makes more than a couple hundred K a year Hardly the rich or the uber wealthy. and you lump everyone in that group into targeting them as robber barons. you can pretend you do this for the "good of the society" but really, it looks like sour grapes and envy given how much whining and dishonesty that comes from the "tax the rich" crowd

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you admit that no rich people died in the 90's due to not getting quite as big tax cut, as you implied earlier, thank you!
    Your pathetic attempt to justify treating people unfairly because it didn't kill them is as moronic as it comes

    no one has died because they couldn't participate in gay marriage either. And no woman died because she couldn't vote. If you want to use your silly standard for what is unfair, I don't think you are going to find much support when we start applying your idiotic paradigm to many other rights

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