View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Whats interesting is theres alot of parents that cant wait for their kids to get to school so they dont have to be bothered with them...and then theres the teacher that has 30 or more of them to deal with all day long....and as well as guarding them and disciplining them and keeping them in line FOR THE PARENTS...they also have to teach them....yeah its a worthless job and just anyone can do it...<smirk>
    There will always be unions because there will always be working people assaulted by the conservatives for something, anything.
    Its gotten to the point of being beyond pathetic. I hope they not only continue but kick it up...then more and more will realize how far off the edge theyve gone

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Yeah, this whole notion that teachers, firefighters and cops have all this money is straight out of the Twilight Zone.
    as is the notion that they are all poor...

    I wonder, in the absence of a public union, what would their job environment look like?
    the usually argument for a union is that the employer would take advantage of their labor and further profit off of them ... folks like to talk about private labor reverting back to having to work 40 hours a day , with no days offs, in sweatshops and such ( which i understand is merely rhetoric)... but how would the public sector exploit labor?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Of course they do. That's absurd. They make roads, they create educated future generations, they keep cities safe, they put out fires, they keep people healthy, the help preserve competitive and honest markets, etc... If you want to see what life is like without government workers, go check out Somalia.

    And, more generally, the more power unions have, the higher compensation is for all people. Where the right to bargain collectively is strong, even non-unionized companies know that if they mistreat their employees too harshly, they might unionize.
    Exactly, hence overpaying them means less public services for a higher price. People don't want to pay higher taxes to pay overpaid public sector union workers. If you can't reduce wages, and you cannot increase taxes, then quality and the number of services drop.

    I have said many times, correlation does not mean causation, but I seem to talk to deaf ears. So, lets say correlation does mean causation, and we will take a look at public union membership and earnings. I mean, we are talking about public unions here, not private.

    When public union membership goes up, wages go down. That means, public unions reduce wages.



    Wages.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Sexual harassment laws have so much to do with my point its unbearable. If you want to know what I think of them, then I think they are cry baby bull**** 99.9% of the time.
    I have handled more than 100 sexual harassment claims. two were legitimate including a guy who "dry humped" a woman and when he grieved his suspension (the lady supervisor didn't like the pretty victim) down to a warning, he continued to threaten the woman. The jury rightfully found in her favor However, most our bogus, the last one I tried, it was clear the woman claimed harassment AFTER her boss imposed proper discipline on her for losing stock, failing to do her job etc. The jury agreed and her attorneys ate about 300K in fees and another 45K in costs. The problem is that our client could not recoup its costs from the plaintiff and her attorney. That should change. bring a claim and you win-your attorney gets all his fees paid by the defendant. Bring a claim and lose-you have to make the defendant whole again

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    This does help explain why your party consistently gets less than 1% of the vote in presidential elections. Thanks for the reminder!


    less than one percent of the kids graduating high school will attend Yale or Harvard. Like many of those who appeal to mediocrity, quantity trumps quality in your mind

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I have handled more than 100 sexual harassment claims. two were legitimate including a guy who "dry humped" a woman and when he grieved his suspension (the lady supervisor didn't like the pretty victim) down to a warning, he continued to threaten the woman. The jury rightfully found in her favor However, most our bogus, the last one I tried, it was clear the woman claimed harassment AFTER her boss imposed proper discipline on her for losing stock, failing to do her job etc. The jury agreed and her attorneys ate about 300K in fees and another 45K in costs. The problem is that our client could not recoup its costs from the plaintiff and her attorney. That should change. bring a claim and you win-your attorney gets all his fees paid by the defendant. Bring a claim and lose-you have to make the defendant whole again
    Thats the problem legitimate victims face every time...they have to climb the mountain of suspicion..its unfair but there so many bogus claims that it makes it hard to determine sometimes truth from fiction.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Your analysis of collective bargaining and loyalty is so far fetched form reality as to be a sad case of profound ignorance.

    The Teamsters that I grew up with had business agents that would give their word on a new contract at a local bar that both the Teamsters and company owners frequented and the deals were done on a hand shake!!
    Thanks for the duh moment.

    Signatures were only a formality!! Those companies and our local union had been in business together, in some cases, going back to the turn on the 20th century.
    So? Not sure how its "business" though but whatever.

    Loyalty you ask?? A union contract is a benefit that comes under the freedom of association guaranteed by The Constitution of the United States America and the concept of collective bargaining goes back to the medieval stone masons of continental Europe!
    So??

    They had a highly skilled and necessary skill that was in demand. You sign a labor contract every time you take your car to a mechanic! Do you think those places pay their mechanics $100 an hour for labor???
    And??

    Man, dude - get a grip. Company loyalty is going by the way side because nobody has a long term job anymore. Everybody’s an independent contractor . . . No, you should spend more time actually talking to union people instead of attacking their characters: bums under a contract have nothing to worry about with respect to the company; ooohhh noo!; the worry of the bum is rested in his fellow union members. Because they are the ones that are going to run him out of job: he draws too much attention.
    Lol, ok.

    And, you say that the free market is working fine huh? Have you looked outside lately? Were you there in Sept 2007, or did you just wake up?
    Did you notice what made that occur? Here is a hint it wasn't the "free" market.
    No, like I said, you gave two great holes to fill with your completely uninformed and actually laughable opinion.
    I like how you never actually faced my opinion in anything you just said. Do you deny that people are forced to talk to union members or not? Do you admit that there is plenty of laws that deal with effectiveness of the talks or not? Do you think that is covered under the right to associate?
    Last edited by Henrin; 06-11-12 at 10:34 PM.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I don't see it in this quote:
    You're right. It's not in that post. But do you know what it means? It appears as if you don't, or you would not be so confused.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    as is the notion that they are all poor...
    I don't think that that's an actual notion outside of your imagination. Most of them are middle class as I've always argued.

    I wonder, in the absence of a public union, what would their job environment look like?
    the usually argument for a union is that the employer would take advantage of their labor and further profit off of them ... folks like to talk about private labor reverting back to having to work 40 hours a day , with no days offs, in sweatshops and such ( which i understand is merely rhetoric)... but how would the public sector exploit labor?
    Their environment would be pretty horrible. Teachers would have much larger class sizes, would be held accountable for things outside of their control, would work in less safe environments and so on. Firefighters and police officers would be cut and have to cover more area per person. They would also lose healthcare benefits, be held accountable for things outside of their control and so on.

    I always laugh at the notion that only the private sector is willing and able to take advantage of its workers and that public workers don't have to worry about things like that. It's even more funny when it comes from conservatives and libertarians who apparently don't trust the government. If they don't trust the government, then it should be pretty easy to see how the government could exploit its workers. I guess they see what they want to see. It's too bad that what they want to see leads to the exploitation of workers and harm to the public.
    Last edited by ThePlayDrive; 06-11-12 at 10:35 PM.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Then you truly are wearing blinders.
    Perhaps, but I'm still unaware of any rich person who has any sort of power over me, other than those in the government, of course.

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