View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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  • Unions will respond and their power will grow.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    So you mean "conservative" in the same sense that failing out of high school or going to prison for blowing up your meth cooking trailer are "conservative", not the William F. Buckley sense of "conservative", right?
    Well, if the shoe fits.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I rather like this:

    Governor of the State of Illinois: $150,691
    Mayor of the City of Chicago: $210,000
    Secretary-General of the United Nations: $225,000
    President of the United States: $400,000
    District Supt District 233: $402,331
    District Supt District 219: $411,511

    Illinois Loop: Salaries and Pensions

    District 214, Elk Grove Village, IL:

    http://www.familytaxpayers.org/salary.php
    Yeah, I remember making $3.50 an hour (paid for only 10hours of the 24 I worked) as a parametic in 1980. I thought is was stupid that the guy holding the sign at a constructionsite made $10 an hour. I was told that's life.

    However, you did list some high salaries, but I don't think anyone suggests their are not high salaries, public and private. I asked for another district, one you thought would be representative.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    I couldn't find your district. So I linked another one at random:


    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Maggie - could you please clarify something for me?

    If a worker puts in the required time to earn a pension, then retires under the terms of their employment contract, do YOU favor looking upon that as a sacred contract which CANNOT be changed or are you saying it can be changed even after one party has fulfilled their terms of it and has retired?
    An "earned" pension amount cannot, under any circumstances, be changed. Ever.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Reliable link for that? And, please, not to one that answers the question: "How much do teachers earn?" Here's a link to the actual Illinois database. Scan it. Find me anyone making $37,000 a year. It's listed by name, by the way. And school district. $55K at CPS 4 years ago with a Master's. Now making $64,000. That, of course, is without her summer part-time job with the district. Family Taxpayers Foundation
    Hi, I saw your post and just wanted to add something; does a degree for an educator mean anything to you in hte way of compensation: I mean, a BA may or not be required; depending on the state and county requirements, teaching credintials are often a separate matter: that being a tested certificate for each subject, usually required in addition to a degree. Then there's the graduate degree, and of course there's the doctorate . . . I mean, does all that education account for anything in the way of compensation?

    Secondly, I followed you link to the home page and what a different story it tells: Illinois Loop: Salaries and Pensions District Sup
    Niles Twp 219: $411,511. So does the management have the same educational requirements? And if so, what make their education more valuable than the same education a teacher has?
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yeah, I remember making $3.50 an hour (paid for only 10hours of the 24 I worked) as a parametic in 1980. I thought is was stupid that the guy holding the sign at a constructionsite made $10 an hour. I was told that's life.

    However, you did list some high salaries, but I don't think anyone suggests their are not high salaries, public and private. I asked for another district, one you thought would be representative.
    For the record, the District where those high schools are from includes towns where the median family income is 80-86,000 dollars which is well above the median family income of the country, so the salaries will be higher (even though they are probably inaccurately reported considering the website they're from). I'm from Illinois just like MaggieD and I can certainly say that she's picking her numbers selectively.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    An "earned" pension amount cannot, under any circumstances, be changed. Ever.
    Uh, no . .. If you buy a mortage that requires a certain monthly contribution, the amount of the mortgae never changes: remember, that with teachers, in some states, they don't py into social secuirty by law, so their pension is it. Teachers don't set a goal, like $10,000,000; but they would like their pension contributions as high as they can get them: it's like dividends in reverse right?

    So, teachers are worthless to you 'er what?
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Damn teachers flaunting their wealth driving around in their 1994 Toyota Corollas!!!!
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Damn teachers flaunting their wealth driving around in their 1994 Toyota Corollas!!!!
    Yeah, this whole notion that teachers, firefighters and cops have all this money is straight out of the Twilight Zone.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Why should Americans expect a middle class standard of living, right? If its good enough for the poor masses in China, its good enough for Americans!
    that is a good slogan but what is your solution to the concept of competition? If a chinese worker can do the same work as an American worker but yet demands one fourth the wage how can a company that uses American Labor compete?

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