View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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  • Yes, their power has waxed and now it shall wane.

    44 60.27%
  • Unions will respond and their power will grow.

    14 19.18%
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Yo' Henrin! You got any fun plans for next weekend?

    If so, thank the union.

    LOL!
    So you think unions came up with the idea?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Oh, I'm pretty sure I've got him about marked. It's a pretty easy test, you see. We are headed straight towards a fiscal cliff. States, Localities, even our Federal government face very real threats to our solvency. Anyone with their foot on the gas? That's the enemy . Fortunately (see OP), one of them appears to be getting cut back down to size. Let us hope we are still in time.
    Oh I know the Enemy of the People well indeed. They make posts like yours. They would spit in the face of forty years of service and crap on the workers of this nation in the pursuit of a radical extremist agenda designed only to serve the rich and corporations.

    They would have us betray our obligations and NOT honor our debts. That is a disgraceful and a dishonorable path equalling that of the traitor and the thief.

    We know the enemy well indeed.

    And we will deal with them accordingly.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So you think unions came up with the idea?
    This is some reductive nonsense...you know what Cpt American is saying...without labor unions the 40 hour work week wouldn't be common place....well at least as common as it is now. Most workers will put you on salary and work your hours 60 hours a week.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    This is some reductive nonsense...you know what Cpt American is saying...without labor unions the 40 hour work week wouldn't be common place....well at least as common as it is now. Most workers will put you on salary and work your hours 60 hours a week.
    You are going to totally confuse him with history, common sense and reality.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    This is some reductive nonsense...you know what Cpt American is saying...without labor unions the 40 hour work week wouldn't be common place....well at least as common as it is now. Most workers will put you on salary and work your hours 60 hours a week.
    Doubtful, but continue..

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So you think unions came up with the idea?
    No, but unions made it happen. 36 reasons why you should thank a union

    You can have a great idea to help your fellow Americans but without a union or a plurality of Americans to support it, it would never see the light of day. Changes in work rules cost money. Shutting down a factory for a weekend or setting a limit of 8 hours before requiring overtime costs companies money. None would give it willingly.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    EVERYONE: Please read this post from Henrin. Then read it again. Then read it again. Pay attention to every word he wrote.

    The next time anybody identifies themselves or their ideas as LIBERTARIAN - remember this post. Remember what is behind it. Remember the type of society that this sort of ideological madness would produce.
    Yes, imagine the horrors of a society in which people believe that it is wrong to initiate aggression against one's neighbor or his property. Oh the humanity.

    Ask yourself is that the type of society I want to both live in and work in? Is that the sort of society you want your children and grandchildren to live in and work in?
    Or would you prefer that your children and grandchildren are granted only those rights that society deigns to allow? To be free men and women, or to be considered the property of the state? To have the state serve them, or to serve the state?

    Recognize the enemy. Deal with them accordingly repudiating their ideas and their ersatz ideology.
    Always good advice, no matter what the source.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun View Post
    No, but unions made it happen. 36 reasons why you should thank a union

    You can have a great idea to help your fellow Americans but without a union or a plurality of Americans to support it, it would never see the light of day. Changes in work rules cost money. Shutting down a factory for a weekend or setting a limit of 8 hours before requiring overtime costs companies money. None would give it willingly.
    Why did you just link me to a biased site?

    If you actually knew what I was talking about you would know that weekends were offered by businesses and the idea was spreading. That is where the unions got the idea.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    With the exception of what happened to the automakers, I don't think anyone has blamed "unions" for the bad economy. We simply point out that Public Sector Unions have faced no effective check on their extraction, which has now grown to levels where it threatens the solvency of our State and Local governments.

    Nor is this a "GOP" thing. Democrat governors and mayors are having to trim back on the Public Unions too. Just, oddly, no outrage...... :
    You just did it yourself! It was not the teachers that hurt state's economies, it was the recession caused by deregulation of the banks. That is what crushed state budgets, not that teachers, firefighters and policemen were being overcompensated.

    That is just more sleight of hand that so many conservatives seem to get distracted by.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why did you just link me to a biased site?

    If you actually knew what I was talking about you would know that weekends were offered by businesses and the idea was spreading. That is where the unions got the idea.
    Dude, are you seriously telling me that corporate culture has the best interests of employees in mind regardless of profits?

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