View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Its too bad Thomas Jefferson went out of his way to tell everyone to NOT use him as a source.

    Maybe you can listen to him?
    The real shame is all these libertarians that think they are constitutional scholars

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The real shame is all these libertarians that think they are constitutional scholars
    I really can't help that Thomas Jefferson said to not use him on such matters. Reminding people of facts is not acting out of line either.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so what you are saying is you believe in "fettering" the rights of others to accumulate property?
    I didn't say that and what I believe is irrelevant.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Reliable link for that? And, please, not to one that answers the question: "How much do teachers earn?" Here's a link to the actual Illinois database. Scan it. Find me anyone making $37,000 a year. It's listed by name, by the way. And school district. $55K at CPS 4 years ago with a Master's. Now making $64,000. That, of course, is without her summer part-time job with the district. Family Taxpayers Foundation
    It's your link:

    Family Taxpayers Foundation



    Arnett, Melissa

    $15,423



    Bair, Lindy

    $27,943



    Banwart, Douglas

    $32,256


    Do you know another district?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Its too bad Thomas Jefferson went out of his way to tell everyone to NOT use him as a source.
    Do you believe Jefferson's words are somehow less important to history than anyone else's???


    I'd also like a source for that assertion.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I really can't help that Thomas Jefferson said to not use him on such matters. Reminding people of facts is not acting out of line either.
    And why did he do that? Was he ill and delusional or something?

    Proof???
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    not one person is fooled by your games Haymarket.
    Then why is it so impossible for to simply provide the quote which says what you tell people it says?

    Why are you impotent to do just that?
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Property rights and the unfettered accumulation of wealth are what give the rich power over others.
    I'm not sure what you mean by "power over others", but I am unaware of any rich person who has any power over me (other than those in the government, of course.)

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Nope. No where in the Constitution does it explicitly state a "right to vote."
    It very specifically mentions the RIGHT TO VOTE or a slight variation on that wording - usually THE RIGHT OF CITIZENS TO VOTE five different places.

    That would be Amendment 14, 15, 19, 24 and 26.

    It does not merely talk about voting. It specfically talks about the RIGHT TO VOTE. It clearly states that voting is a RIGHT.
    It does not merely talk about procedures for elections. It specifically talks about the RIGHT TO VOTE. It clearly states that voting is a RIGHT.

    It does not do this just one time.
    It does not do this just twice.
    It does not do this three times.
    It does not do this four times.
    The United States Constitution discusses the RIGHT TO VOTE five times in five different places in five different Amendments passed at five different times.

    The US Constitution does not talk about the PROCESS of voting. The Constitution talks the RIGHT TO VOTE.
    The US Constitution does not talk about the MECHANICS of voting. The Constitution talks about the RIGHT TO VOTE.
    The US Constitution does not talk about the PRIVILEGE of voting. The Constitution talks about the RIGHT TO VOTE.
    The US Constitution does not talk about the OPPORTUNITY of voting. The Constitution talks about the RIGHT TO VOTE.

    It seems that one of two things is happening here:
    1- your copy of the US Constitution is well over 150 years old and you need to get it to a professional because it could be quite valuable, or
    2- the actual term RIGHT TO VOTE or RIGHT OF CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES TO VOTE is lost upon you.

    But lets be frank and open here. This is not my first rodeo and I have seen this sad and pathetic tactic employed by those on the far right before. So I know well what is going on in you employing this ridiculous argument that is openly contradicted by the US Constitution five different times.

    Each time I encounter it, I sit back in amazement that anyone pretending to put on the mask of someone concerned with rights and liberties would go through such labored mental and semantic gymnastics to deny rights and liberties.


    But then I remember that this tactic is used almost exclusively by libertarians of the far right. These are people who know they cannot ever win in a democratic vote so they have contempt and scorn for it and are more than willing to deny it. They know there is precious little support for them and their ersatz ideology so they are more than willing to attempt to deny any right to vote. This is merely one rather obvious and disgusting manifestation of expressing that contempt.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    They will HUNT YOU DOWN!!! So violence IS alright ... but only under certain circumstances.
    Do you know what the word "initiate" means?

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