View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

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    Then things must be much different in other parts of the world than they are here because no non-politician or any group of non-politicians can "take over" the government here.
    Of course they can - which is why I label this an "effective" ceding of sovereignty rather than a "nominal" one. It's the classic De Toqueville nightmare of concentrated v dissipated interest.
    That's just horsecrap you're spewing now. You have no clue what the laws are here or how public employees and public unions are handled.

    How many other times have you spread lies in an attempt to prove your point???
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Nope.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I like how you failed to defend the accuracy of their declaration. I also like how you failed to take notice that its only given to some making it even treated like a privilege after the declaration.
    Could you elaborate on that because I have no idea what you are saying and what it actually has to do with the US Constitution?
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    whoa....
    Whoa what lolol....

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Try again.

    It means just what I wrote. That slave owners across the South would cheer you on since your defense of property rights is one of the excuses they gave for their ownership of other human beings.

    I clearly stated that THEY would support you. I did not say that YOU supported THEM.

    Perhaps that distinction was lost upon both you and Thrilla who also seems to not being able to properly read what is written?
    not one person is fooled by your games Haymarket.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    I doubt unions will disappear completely. They get a bad rap cause in some professions you *have* to join them, they prioritize job security of horrible teachers for instance over children being able to learn, they favor when layoff time comes certain members based on seniority even though new members pay the same dues etc. Still, as union membership has decreased, so too has income level. There's undoubtedly other factors involved but you can see that here: http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/...nionincome.jpg

    At a nearby factory for example, the temp workers make just 30 cents an hour less than the employees who are hired in. Well, both are near minimum wage without health care, but such a thing would be almost unthinkable back when unions had more power. This is no doubt what Walker had in mind (destroying the middle class) and it's hard to fathom why he got away with it. It seems just another case of fooling people into voting against their own interests. Collectively employees and applicants have more negotiating power than when they have no other entity to represent them. Same with anything else in life.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Aren't you guys all the same?!? I constantly see self-professed Libertarians talking about "liberal" this and "liberal" that (or they use their synonym phrase "the left") like all liberals are the same. A recent post of yours is an excellent example, "... unprincipled and unlimited government such as that desired by the left". LOL! You think everyone on "the left" (or anyone short of a few fringe elements on "the left") wants an "unprincipled and unlimited government"?!?


    You guys crack me up sometimes.
    yes, i'm guilty of generalizing too... and no, libertarians are not all the same.

    I tend to point out liberals quite a bit because i'm pretty pissed that folks have co-opted that label who are not liberal.

    I happen to like and respect liberalism as an ideology, it's very close to libertarianism .. and it pisses me off that leftist authoritarians ( the opposite of liberals) tend to self describe as liberal 'round here.
    due the the nature of the internet and the pack mentality , liberals won't tend to call out their own.... so i do, and yes, i get carried away with it.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    parasites come in all economic levels. and most working people aren't. its the people who try to gain power by pretending to care about the poor and use their plight as an argument for taking more money from others.

    and yeah if you blame others for your lot in life and want others to pay your way that makes you a parasite
    You very often use the term "parasite" to mean much more than you're espousing here. Don't be shy, 'fess up!

    You have asserted that everyone making under (I believe you latest figure was) $117k is not paying their "fair share". In effect, they are taking money from the government.

    You believe everyone getting any government money at all is a parasite (and various other derogatory terms) and it doesn't matter what their beliefs may be - unless they agree with you 100%.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    yes, i'm guilty of generalizing too... and no, libertarians are not all the same.

    I tend to point out liberals quite a bit because i'm pretty pissed that folks have co-opted that label who are not liberal.

    I happen to like and respect liberalism as an ideology, it's very close to libertarianism .. and it pisses me off that leftist authoritarians ( the opposite of liberals) tend to self describe as liberal 'round here.
    due the the nature of the internet and the pack mentality , liberals won't tend to call out their own.... so i do, and yes, i get carried away with it.
    The same exact thing can be said about libertarians, who latched on to the label and have no clue what it is or what its all about...they have their own agenda ...you think libertarians are all purists

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You very often use the term "parasite" to mean much more than you're espousing here. Don't be shy, 'fess up!

    You have asserted that everyone making under (I believe you latest figure was) $117k is not paying their "fair share". In effect, they are taking money from the government.

    You believe everyone getting any government money at all is a parasite (and various other derogatory terms) and it doesn't matter what their beliefs may be - unless they agree with you 100%.
    MO...turtle is mostly pulling everyones chain...he doesnt mean half of what he says...

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