View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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  • Yes, their power has waxed and now it shall wane.

    44 60.27%
  • Unions will respond and their power will grow.

    14 19.18%
  • It depends on November.

    15 20.55%
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I expect that you understand when you say to me that the slave owners would be cheering me on that means I would support their claims of slaves. Why else would they be cheering me on? Because I support property?
    Try again.

    It means just what I wrote. That slave owners across the South would cheer you on since your defense of property rights is one of the excuses they gave for their ownership of other human beings.

    I clearly stated that THEY would support you. I did not say that YOU supported THEM.

    Perhaps that distinction was lost upon both you and Thrilla who also seems to not being able to properly read what is written?
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Go tell felons who can't vote, about their "right to vote."
    Why are you failing to answer the specific question?

    Does your copy of the Constitution contain Amendments which specifically use the term RIGHT TO VOTE or any other variation of that term RIGHT TO VOTE?
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Which is why statist decivilizers hate property rights and do everything in their power to denigrate them. Property rights stand between them and their coveted power over others.
    Property rights and the unfettered accumulation of wealth are what give the rich power over others.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do you have trouble figuring out where government comes from?

    If the government is the collective organization of the people and was created by the people nothing that goes with it is a right. It's a bit obvious.
    The US Constitution - a document which I trust a billion times more than I trust your own pontifications based on extremist ideology and self imposed beliefs - says otherwise.

    Several times in fact.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why are you failing to answer the specific question?

    Does your copy of the Constitution contain Amendments which specifically use the term RIGHT TO VOTE or any other variation of that term RIGHT TO VOTE?
    Nope.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Property rights and the unfettered accumulation of wealth are what give the rich power over others.
    so what you are saying is you believe in "fettering" the rights of others to accumulate property?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The US Constitution - a document which I trust a billion times more than I trust your own pontifications based on extremist ideology and self imposed beliefs - says otherwise.

    Several times in fact.
    I like how you failed to defend the accuracy of their declaration. I also like how you failed to take notice that its only given to some making it even treated like a privilege after the declaration.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    The point is that no person has the right, under any circumstances, to initiate aggression against another person or his property.
    What planet are you from? It sure isn't Earth or your species would have died out long, long ago.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Whether you belong to an association is irrelevant. If you murder someone, that person's protection agency will come to you looking for compensation. You do not "get off" just because you don't belong to some association.
    They will HUNT YOU DOWN!!! So violence IS alright ... but only under certain circumstances.


    When people are pushed to the edge, threatening to take their property or even their life doesn't matter because they have nothing left to lose.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    which brand of libertarianism are you talking about?
    Aren't you guys all the same?!? I constantly see self-professed Libertarians talking about "liberal" this and "liberal" that (or they use their synonym phrase "the left") like all liberals are the same. A recent post of yours is an excellent example, "... unprincipled and unlimited government such as that desired by the left". LOL! You think everyone on "the left" (or anyone short of a few fringe elements on "the left") wants an "unprincipled and unlimited government"?!?


    You guys crack me up sometimes.
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