View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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  • Yes, their power has waxed and now it shall wane.

    44 60.27%
  • Unions will respond and their power will grow.

    14 19.18%
  • It depends on November.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Reminds me of the story how when Mao took over leadership of China the two occupations banned were lawyers and prostitutes.

    I think he did a great disservice at lumping the hookers in with the lawyers.
    YOur messiah and his side kick Obama are lawyers. the main difference is I am actually licensed and competent to try cases. Those two clowns don't have licenses

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Anyways, obviously you were unable to come up with a response either specifically for teachers or to the laundry list of other professions that aim to do good. So, again, you've lost. I'm sure everybody is really shocked.
    I am not the one whining about pay scales.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    YOur messiah and his side kick Obama are lawyers. the main difference is I am actually licensed and competent to try cases. Those two clowns don't have licenses
    I would be willing to concede you possess a license of one kind or another.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I would be willing to concede you possess a license of one kind or another.
    relevance?.....

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am not the one whining about pay scales.
    Yes you are. You're whining that people who aim to do good get paid even the measly amounts they do.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    In Illinois the average teacher starts at $37k/year and has a master's degree. The median person in the country (it'd be a bit higher in Illinois because of Chicago) who has a master's degree makes $66k/year.
    Reliable link for that? And, please, not to one that answers the question: "How much do teachers earn?" Here's a link to the actual Illinois database. Scan it. Find me anyone making $37,000 a year. It's listed by name, by the way. And school district. $55K at CPS 4 years ago with a Master's. Now making $64,000. That, of course, is without her summer part-time job with the district. Family Taxpayers Foundation
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    It pays to know ones enemies. I would expect a school teacher to understand property. You do not. I hope you did not harm too many with your views.

    You need not answer. I vaguely remember someone saying you were and you did not deny it.
    Witch hunt. Get in line.

    I understand property. I support property rights.

    Unlike right wing libertarians, I DO NOT elevate them above other rights people have.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Yes you are. You're whining that people who aim to do good get paid even the measly amounts they do.

    wrong again. I support the market determining rates and since teachers are a very uncompetitive field since so many people can do it they are going to make less than those who enter more competitive fields like medicine, law and engineering

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Reliable link for that? And, please, not to one that answers the question: "How much do teachers earn?" Here's a link to the actual Illinois database. Scan it. Find me anyone making $37,000 a year. It's listed by name, by the way. And school district. $55K at CPS 4 years ago with a Master's. Now making $64,000. That, of course, is without her summer part-time job with the district. Family Taxpayers Foundation
    The first district I checked was Astoria CUSD 1. The first seven teachers in the list alphabetically are:

    Arnett, Melissa $15,423
    Bair, Lindy $27,943
    Banwart, Douglas $32,256
    Bastien, Garry $29,530
    Boggs, Bobette $39,977
    Bollinger, Sharenda $26,783
    Cheatum, Kathy $30,807

    So, out of those, only Bobette Boggs makes more than $37k. Boggs is working full time and has 14 years of experience teaching.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    YOu have constantly said the rich's wealth exists only as long as the masses decide to let them keep it

    Moderates like OldReliable67 called your position "fascist" on the economics thread when you posted your bit about the rich groveling before the masses to keep what they have
    Thank you for clearly showing you cannot substantiate the scurrilous lies you posted about my position on property. You utterly FAILED to do so with anything other than more pompous pontifications.

    Get a clue: I could not care less about somebody you admire making their own pompous pontifications about my views. If you and your boy OR67 want to attack my views, at least man up and have the cojones to quote me.
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