View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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  • Yes, their power has waxed and now it shall wane.

    44 60.27%
  • Unions will respond and their power will grow.

    14 19.18%
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The mean old grade school teachers marching into their homes and "stealing" their money so that they can get 50% of the salary they could if they worked for profit and viciously using it to educate your children... Or the thieves that steal your money so they can make $30k/year making sure your house doesn't burn down... Obviously it's ridiculous.

    But, even putting that aside, that's only the line the right happens to have picked for this one subset of people who put doing good ahead of making money. They have a line for virtually all of them. When a scientist chooses to make a fraction of what he could in the private sector because he wants to work for the betterment of the world, they are accused of being part of a conspiracy. When a lawyer walks away from a million dollar a year partnership to work for the DOJ for 10% of the money because he believes he will be able to do more good for his fellow man there, he is attacked by the right. The right has attacks worked out for the world health organization, the red cross, amnesty international... Academics that decide that they would rather take a fraction of the salary because they want to work to advance our society's understanding of whatever area they teach in and to help kids, they're part of some kind of socialist conspiracy too. Everybody that puts doing good ahead of making money ends up on the right's hit list one way or another. It's too big of a pattern to be random.

    I don't know what world you live in, but teachers (at least in Illinois) aren't sacrificing one dime by being teachers. Neither are police. Neither are firefighters. That's why, my friend, there is a waiting list from here to Timbukto for their jobs. Get educated. Or are you a teacher?
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    so many words to say that you want others to pay for what you want

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't know what world you live in, but teachers (at least in Illinois) aren't sacrificing one dime by being teachers. Neither are police. Neither are firefighters. That's why, my friend, there is a waiting list from here to Timbukto for their jobs. Get educated. Or are you a teacher?
    In Illinois the average teacher starts at $37k/year and has a master's degree. The median person in the country (it'd be a bit higher in Illinois because of Chicago) who has a master's degree makes $66k/year.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    In Illinois the average teacher starts at $37k/year and has a master's degree. The median person in the country (it'd be a bit higher in Illinois because of Chicago) who has a master's degree makes $66k/year.
    well there is a big difference between those of us who have masters degrees in worthwhile fields versus those who have those NEA required BS MEds

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well there is a big difference between those of us who have masters degrees in worthwhile fields versus those who have those NEA required BS MEds
    You may only consider the most profitable degrees to be "worthwhile", but that's the whole point isn't it? Some people have higher moral standards than you do and consider things other than profit to be worthwhile.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    You may only consider the most profitable degrees to be "worthwhile", but that's the whole point isn't it? Some people have higher moral standards than you do and consider things other than profit to be worthwhile.
    at my kid's school none of the teachers would be "qualified" to teach at a union run public school because they don't have those BS MEd degrees, They have masters and PhD's in real subjects like math and history and english.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    true, people suing others keep me employed

    but I have a few jobs and that is just one
    Reminds me of the story how when Mao took over leadership of China the two occupations banned were lawyers and prostitutes.

    I think he did a great disservice at lumping the hookers in with the lawyers.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    That's a lie.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    at my kid's school none of the teachers would be "qualified" to teach at a union run public school because they don't have those BS MEd degrees, They have masters and PhD's in real subjects like math and history and english.
    Anyways, obviously you were unable to come up with a response either specifically for teachers or to the laundry list of other professions that aim to do good. So, again, you've lost. I'm sure everybody is really shocked.
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