View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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  • Yes, their power has waxed and now it shall wane.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Without those "parasites" you wouldn't have a job.
    true, people suing others keep me employed

    but I have a few jobs and that is just one

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    true, people suing others keep me employed

    but I have a few jobs and that is just one
    Doesn't matter what job you have. You can't have one without the other. Every single buisness is in some way shape or form tied to the people that you downgrade so much as "parasites".
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Doesn't matter what job you have. You can't have one without the other. Every single buisness is in some way shape or form tied to the people that you downgrade so much as "parasites".
    You need to read what I write a bit more carefully

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You need to read what I write a bit more carefully
    I did. I know that people suing others keeps your lawyering job busy. And that you said that you have a "few" jobs other than just that one. Your phrasing of that, to me, implied that you think those other jobs are not affected by the poor or as you like to call us..."parasites". Was I wrong in that? If so I will certainly apologize.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I did. I know that people suing others keeps your lawyering job busy. And that you said that you have a "few" jobs other than just that one. Your phrasing of that, to me, implied that you think those other jobs are not affected by the poor or as you like to call us..."parasites". Was I wrong in that? If so I will certainly apologize.
    parasites come in all economic levels. and most working people aren't. its the people who try to gain power by pretending to care about the poor and use their plight as an argument for taking more money from others.

    and yeah if you blame others for your lot in life and want others to pay your way that makes you a parasite

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its the people who try to gain power by pretending to care about the poor and use their plight as an argument for taking more money from others.
    Yeah, that is fundamentally your root problem. You can't comprehend that there are good people in the world. You assume that deep down all anybody cares about is themselves. But that isn't reality of course. Everybody who has spent any amount of time in the world is, obviously, well aware that there are many good people out there that are doing their utmost to help those who are in the most need of help. That is just something you feel the need to tell yourself to make yourself feel better about your own moral character.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Yeah, that is fundamentally your root problem. You can't comprehend that there are good people in the world. You assume that deep down all anybody cares about is themselves. But that isn't reality of course. Everybody who has spent any amount of time in the world is, obviously, well aware that there are many good people out there that are doing their utmost to help those who are in the most need of help. That is just something you feel the need to tell yourself to make yourself feel better about your own moral character.

    you really are in no position to be able to say what I comprehend.

    You also engage in the classic leftwing fallacy of thinking-voting for more taxes and more big government spending=charity. you also pretend that if people don't buy into your far left big government mantra they aren't "charitable"

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Yeah, that is fundamentally your root problem. You can't comprehend that there are good people in the world. You assume that deep down all anybody cares about is themselves. But that isn't reality of course. Everybody who has spent any amount of time in the world is, obviously, well aware that there are many good people out there that are doing their utmost to help those who are in the most need of help. That is just something you feel the need to tell yourself to make yourself feel better about your own moral character.
    Nobody, and I am sure TD would agree with me here, is condemning anyone who takes it upon themselves to help the poor and less fortunate. The issue is how you go about helping them. If it is with your own time and your own resources, it is an act of virtue. If you steal from others to give alms to the poor you are engaged in vice. The ends do not justify the means.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Nobody, and I am sure TD would agree with me here, is condemning anyone who takes it upon themselves to help the poor and less fortunate. The issue is how you go about helping them. If it is with your own time and your own resources, it is an act of virtue. If you steal from others to give alms to the poor you are engaged in vice. The ends do not justify the means.
    true, lefty charity often involves taking from others to buy the gratitude of the recipients.

    its like the Lord Farquaad in SHREK who says "many of you might die but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make"

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Nobody, and I am sure TD would agree with me here, is condemning anyone who takes it upon themselves to help the poor and less fortunate. The issue is how you go about helping them. If it is with your own time and your own resources, it is an act of virtue. If you steal from others to give alms to the poor you are engaged in vice. The ends do not justify the means.
    The mean old grade school teachers marching into their homes and "stealing" their money so that they can get 50% of the salary they could if they worked for profit and viciously using it to educate your children... Or the thieves that steal your money so they can make $30k/year making sure your house doesn't burn down... Obviously it's ridiculous.

    But, even putting that aside, that's only the line the right happens to have picked for this one subset of people who put doing good ahead of making money. They have a line for virtually all of them. When a scientist chooses to make a fraction of what he could in the private sector because he wants to work for the betterment of the world, they are accused of being part of a conspiracy. When a lawyer walks away from a million dollar a year partnership to work for the DOJ for 10% of the money because he believes he will be able to do more good for his fellow man there, he is attacked by the right. The right has attacks worked out for the world health organization, the red cross, amnesty international, the world food programme... Academics that decide that they would rather take a fraction of the salary because they want to work to advance our society's understanding of whatever area they teach in and to help kids, they're part of some kind of socialist conspiracy too. Non-profit unions that fight to improve the wages of working class people are "thugs". The catholic bishops are heroes when they try to oppress women, but as soon as they point out that helping the poor and sick are core Christian values, they're denounced. Everybody that puts doing good ahead of making money ends up on the right's hit list one way or another. It's too big of a pattern to be random.
    Last edited by teamosil; 06-10-12 at 11:19 PM.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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