View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    How am I supposed to take the OP seriously when it can't even spell "Democratic" properly?
    How would anyone take you seriously when you command such a weak knowledge of the English language?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I find it interesting that in this thread people have argued all around the subject without actually picking up the question of the OP. It seems no one really can think of a good series of reasons why Public Unions will be able to bounce back from the blows of the last few years.
    No one has given a good reason why they will not. Sooner or later republicans will run out of things to blame on them. God forbid, republicans might actually try to solve problems instead of blaming them on the other guy, but that is probably asking too much.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    So your position is that the initial constitution didn't permit the income tax, but that the 16th changed that? I don't necessarily agree. People were split on whether the original one did. But with the 16th in place there certainly isn't any question, right? So what is your issue?

    Did it now? Quote me where the income tax is allowed? The SC couldn't seem to find it either, so do tell.



    Kiddo, I can't believe you're bringing up that Madison thing again after I totally smashed you on that. Remember? I said that he waited to release his notes until after the other framers had died and that the framers had promised not to do that. You angrily accused me of making that all up, I posted my source, and you slunk away in shame. Why would you want to relive that?
    LOL. You didn't destroy me on anything. You showed he lied about releasing his notes and then made a huge jump in logic that it made federalist 41 and everything else Madison ever said a lie. Honesty isn't your strong suit, I see.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No one has given a good reason why they will not. Sooner or later republicans will run out of things to blame on them. God forbid, republicans might actually try to solve problems instead of blaming them on the other guy, but that is probably asking too much.
    Quite true. Quite true.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Just what should an employer do for (or to) a worker that is a single parent, as opposed to what they would for (or to) any other worker? It sounds to me that you are accusing Walmart of being fair. ;-)
    Have daycare and after-school programs for their children, for one. Flexible work hours for another. Training and education programs would be nice too so they can advance and eventually demand a higher income to care for their children themselves rather than relying on government assistance so much for it.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I find it interesting that in this thread people have argued all around the subject without actually picking up the question of the OP. It seems no one really can think of a good series of reasons why Public Unions will be able to bounce back from the blows of the last few years. That's an interesting parallel to the Wisconsin election itself - where Democrats ended up not actually running on collective bargaining.


    anywho, in other news, once again, we here in the conservative ranks at DP have brought you the analysis before the talking heads have picked up on it .
    It depends on how badly private sector employees get treated, and they start demand better worker rights and form unions to help in that cause.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Madison wanted a much more narrowly circumscribed federal government than was actually laid out in the constitution. Hamilton wanted a much broader one. The actual constitution is the compromise that was struck. Even after it was written, Hamilton continually tries to paint it as though it meant something much broader and Madison as though it meant something much more narrow. The courts go off the actual words, which clearly encompass spending to promote the general welfare.

    Now, that most emphatically doesn't mean the federal government can just do whatever it wants. All that clause grants the government are the powers to spend and to tax, not anything else.
    Not to nitpick, but Hamilton won Madison over until Madison sent copies to Thomas Jefferson, and Jefferson then got Madison on his camp.

    Madison agreed with Hamilton that a centralized federal government was needed, but Jefferson reminded Madison that some protections from the federal government, such as the Bill of Rights, was needed.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I find it interesting that in this thread people have argued all around the subject without actually picking up the question of the OP. It seems no one really can think of a good series of reasons why Public Unions will be able to bounce back from the blows of the last few years.
    Sure, ultimately, the whole Republican vision for the country of trying to squeeze as much money as possible out of the middle class in order to make more room for the super rich isn't viable. The last 15 years of our economy have proven that profoundly clearly. Trickle down failed. Economists pretty much all realize that now, it is just that some segment of the population lags behind. They're getting sucked by ridiculous Republican rhetoric that sees wages as an expense to be minimized in order to maximize profits. Sooner or later, the people will realize that it is their income that the Republicans are trying to minimize and they'll start voting in a more moral and informed way on the topic.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No one has given a good reason why they will not. Sooner or later republicans will run out of things to blame on them. God forbid, republicans might actually try to solve problems instead of blaming them on the other guy, but that is probably asking too much.
    1. Republicans put up a plan that might harm liberal programs

    2. It doesn't show up in the senate for a vote.

    3. Democrats say the republicans are trying to kill old people.

    4. Democrats declare republicans have no plans.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    That's the inherent contradiction in hard core Libertarianism. They don't want anarchy, but when you press on the specifics of an effective government, they don't want any of the things necessary to make the government effective.
    To be fair to libertarians, most just want to ensure that people aren't forced by the power of government to go against their personal conscience. Which I actually commend.

    But where I disagree with libertarians is that organizations, such as corporations, are inherently sociopathic because they are an assembly of people united together for a common goal, and in such an assembly they may be more concerned about using other people to attain that goal that empathizing with the people involved.

    Which is why I'm an anarcho-syndicalist.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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