View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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  • Yes, their power has waxed and now it shall wane.

    44 60.27%
  • Unions will respond and their power will grow.

    14 19.18%
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The constitution does explicitly codify what taxes can be collected for- to provide for the general welfare and the common defense.
    aye, that is does... and I do support common defense and general welfare.... which is exactly why I oppose the contemporary liberal agenda.
    ya see, i actually pay attention to the intend of the framers.. I do not perceive the general welfare as being "whatever the **** we want"as "liberals" do.. I also provide for alternative methods of common defense, not just a resource sucking behemoth standing army


    Well that's fine. You get a vote just like everybody else.
    this is true, you and me get one vote... and exactly why our democratic institutions are not equipped to deal properly with unprincipled and unlimited government such as that desired by the left

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    More and more failure. Tell me again what kind of taxes existed during that time period and tell me again WHY they decided on such. Or maybe you could realize for once the difference between taxes and involuntary servitude that is income taxes

    So you really wish to go back to why that 16th amendment was needed to get a income tax? More failure on your part and tell me again how many people enjoy working four or more months for free. Please do share.
    Well it doesn't seem like you have a position really... It's like you're only laying out 5% of your position and assuming I know what you meant to say. I don't. If you want to repeal the 16th amendment, you're certainly free to try, but you would fail... I dunno. Why don't you just spell out what your position is.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    That's the inherent contradiction in hard core Libertarianism. They don't want anarchy, but when you press on the specifics of an effective government, they don't want any of the things necessary to make the government effective.
    Funny that I made it a point to say I'm not against taxes and that I continually listed "income taxes"

    Another liberal and another fail.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Except that it doesn't but then Madison is a lier. Isn't that just hilariously right?
    Of course it does- "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States". You don't need to look up what any individual founder wanted it to say, they wrote it down. We have a written constitution.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    The problem is not every employer knows how to treat their employees with dignity and respect, and the larger the corporation is the less likely that is to be.

    Small business owners may treat their employees better, but that's because those owners get to know their employees and so care for them.

    The reason why Walmart is able to do what it does is because all it cares about is profit and doesn't give a **** if a worker is a single parent or not.
    Just what should an employer do for (or to) a worker that is a single parent, as opposed to what they would for (or to) any other worker? It sounds to me that you are accusing Walmart of being fair. ;-)
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    That's the inherent contradiction in hard core Libertarianism. They don't want anarchy, but when you press on the specifics of an effective government, they don't want any of the things necessary to make the government effective.
    which brand of libertarianism are you talking about?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    ya see, i actually pay attention to the intend of the framers.. I do not perceive the general welfare as being "whatever the **** we want"as "liberals" do..
    Ah, then you should be interested to read what Alexander Hamilton said about that clause: "These three qualifications excepted, the power to raise money is plenary, and indefinite; and the objects to which it may be appropriated are no less comprehensive, than the payment of the public debts and the providing for the common defence and "general Welfare." The terms "general Welfare" were doubtless intended to signify more than was expressed or imported in those which Preceded; otherwise numerous exigencies incident to the affairs of a Nation would have been left without a provision. The phrase is as comprehensive as any that could have been used; because it was not fit that the constitutional authority of the Union, to appropriate its revenues shou'd have been restricted within narrower limits than the "General Welfare" and because this necessarily embraces a vast variety of particulars, which are susceptible neither of specification nor of definition."

    Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1: Alexander Hamilton, Report on Manufactures
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    You know Ipast that we haven't reached the level of say Ford in the past. For example, what the private sector can do next is provide the police force that is necessary to protect big business and their workers. A few large companies can cooperate to do this to reduce costs. This will reduce local taxes for home owners, whoever they are. Just noting that you are complaining about something that is natural and that most want and deserve.
    Your wrong and what you said is totally ludicrous...first of all I posted a poll that was taken yesterday after the recall in wisc and most of america is for public unions and that number will grow....and remember something...you and some others want a nice HUGE property tax cut that will amount to a couple of hundred dollars...while the corporate pigs have taken many thousands off their workers in benefits pensions and pay...some people cant see beyond the tip of their nose...

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Joining a union should be a choice and it should never be a condition of employment.Closed shops remove this choice especially for anyone wanting to be a public school teacher, police officer or some other public sector career that has a closed shop. Whether or someone works for a company should only be between the employee and employer and should have nothing to do with the union.Whether or not someone joins a union should only be between the individual and the union and should have nothing to do with the employer.

    Im for that...as long as all the public workers that opt out of the union...pay for their own legal defense and do not jump on the unions bandwagon for raises and benefits....they are on their own...Im all for that.....that was tried by a group of cops...they lasted 3 yrs and all begged to get back in and we told them...sure...in 3 more years ask again...

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    The problem is not every employer knows how to treat their employees with dignity and respect, and the larger the corporation is the less likely that is to be.

    Small business owners may treat their employees better, but that's because those owners get to know their employees and so care for them.

    The reason why Walmart is able to do what it does is because all it cares about is profit and doesn't give a **** if a worker is a single parent or not.

    Thats the reason unions were founded in the first place...horrid workin conditions that killed workers ...

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