View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    you always have a choice james, always, no one is holding a gun to your head, no one is forcing you to work in a union shop, as i stated, you can always find another job in a non union shop, so yes, you have a choice....
    Again that is a lie.If I want to be police office,public school teacher, fire fighter or some other public sector job with a closed shop I have no choice but to join a union and not just any union but the approved union. I just say fine I'll go this fire station,police station,public school or some other public sector job across town that doesn't have a union or a union I support.



    nd no free riders james, you want what my dues paid to negotiate for , join the union, don't expect to get freebies.
    Again unions were created for the benefit of the workers in general.So what ever an employer chooses to pay me is none of the union's business. If an employer wants to pay me the same,less or more than what a Union worker at the same company makes then that is mine and the employer's business, not the union's.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    So you're saying you don't want a government, but you don't want to think about what life is like without a government either?
    who said I don't want a government?.. sure as **** wasn't me... show me the person who is spreading lies and i'll go deal with them...

    there are very very few anarchists around.. even fewer here at DP.. they are nearly nonexistent.

    you are intentionally and falsely attributing an anarchist position to people who disagree with your position.
    do I need to explain why that is wrong or are you capable of figuring it out on your own?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    You REFUSE to look at the rights of ALL of the governed, especially the NON-GOV'T workers (the majority of the people) that must fund the 2% that work for the gov't through taxation. We the people have rights too, including the right to set gov't employee pay and benefit rates. That is not some "fairness" jive defined by a union, that is for ALL of the people to decide, with NO regard for the wants of any minority no matter how loud or oppressed they claim to be. Was it not strange that we saw no mass exodus of teachers, fleeing WI to higher paying states? After all these "drastic cuts" and "stolen rights" left them destitute an unable to feed their families, right? It is summer time, school is out, time to flee the oppression and head for greener pastures during the off season. ;-)

    Funny how those rabid union supporters claim that a workers union and employers have a right to form contracts to dictate closed shop.But not one public sector workers union has ever negotiated with its employers for benefits,tenure, "trial de nova" for employees being fired, pensions and many other things.Because why would tax payers approve of those things when many tax payers do not get those things themselves.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    sorry chief, if i feel my interests are better met by attempting to band together with a group of like minded people, it is my right to form a union....just as a company attempts to maximize profit, i have every right to attempt to maximize the value i recieve for my labor..
    A right implies choice.Closed shops do not offer choices and votes to unionize are not anonymous. Notice how no one ever says you should be forced to own and carry a gun,forced to join a religion, forced to protest,forced to vote and right in the same sentence.Thats due to the fact if you were forced to own and carry a gun, join a religion, forced to vote, or forced to protest then it wouldn't be a right, it would be mandates. A right implies that it is a actual choice to exercise. If you die hard union supporters actually believed banding together and forming a union is a right you wouldn't be trying to force people to join a union as a condition of employment, you would allow workers to form different union should they decided that they do not like your union's political stands.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Because why would tax payers approve of those things when many tax payers do not get those things themselves.
    Ah, so the real reason for anti-union sentiment comes out. "If I can't have it, neither can they." Figures.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A right implies choice.Closed shops do not offer choices and votes to unionize are not anonymous. Notice how no one ever says you should be forced to own and carry a gun,forced to join a religion, forced to protest,forced to vote and right in the same sentence.Thats due to the fact if you were forced to own and carry a gun, join a religion, forced to vote, or forced to protest then it wouldn't be a right, it would be mandates. A right implies that it is a actual choice to exercise. If you die hard union supporters actually believed banding together and forming a union is a right you wouldn't be trying to force people to join a union as a condition of employment, you would allow workers to form different union should they decided that they do not like your union's political stands.
    Those are more "privileges" than "rights."
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Ah, so the real reason for anti-union sentiment comes out. "If I can't have it, neither can they." Figures.
    why is it bad in this case, but good in the "tax the rich" sentiment?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Those are more "privileges" than "rights."

    not according to he philosophies adopted and codified in the US Constitution....

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and the owner of that company should be able to fire you for "banding together"
    to quote alex trebek, jeopardy host "no, i'm sorry, that is incorrect"...

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    why is it bad in this case, but good in the "tax the rich" sentiment?
    The argument for making the tax code reflect income inequality has nothing to do with "if I can't have it, neither can they."

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