View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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  • Yes, their power has waxed and now it shall wane.

    44 60.27%
  • Unions will respond and their power will grow.

    14 19.18%
  • It depends on November.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    So, what is more important ??
    The concept of property or the concept of fairness ?
    Property.

    BTW, I do feel that the land should belong to the people, not individuals....who stole the land to begin with...
    People didn't steal the land since no one actually owned it.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    I would like to see a national right to work law past.
    I'm not much for new federal laws, but your point is correct. I would rather see the repeal of the national labor monopoly laws currently in effect. I think that situations such as the unions being willing and able to dictate policies of state governments to the extent of breaking the states, and situations such as the recent refusal of the NLRB to allow Boeing to build planes where labor is cheaper has been heard and understood by the population,

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I have no problem with people forming unions, that is their right. I am simply pointing out that the employer has rights as well. One of my rights as an employer is to decide who will and who will not work for me. If you have a right to unionize, I have the right to can you for doing so.
    no, you do not have the right to fire someone over their association with a union..... you might have the power to do so, but you would be wielding your power illegitimately and unjustifiably and would be open to state sanction were you to do so.

    think about it a second.. unions exist to act as a bulwark against employer power.. and your opinion that you hold the power and right to fire someone over their association justifies the very existence of that which you oppose.
    the better approach would be to render the existence of a union unnecessary by affording your employees rights, benefits, and protections commensurate with their status as humans and employees
    simply don't give them a reason to unionize.

    I'm not a union guy whatsoever, but i have the distinct feeling that i would explore a unions were i to be faced with an employer who felt he had the right to fire me over my external associations... i'd go looking for help to protect myself in that case.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    You are discussing current law as if it, by itself, justifies itself. I am discussing principle.
    discuss it however you like, doesnt change fact, you don't have that right.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Yes, you have the state step in on behalf of the many and crush the rights of the one. Might makes right. Except that is a poor standard for morality and an even worse one for governance.
    In any democratic republic, the skill that helps a great deal is to be able to count.

    When you have a situation where you can extend to one person certain rights and quash the rights of thousands of others, OR you can honor the rights of thousands and deny the one his right, there is really no choice there. Reality dictates that both cannot be served at the same time.

    The greatest good for the greatest number shall prevail.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    earthworm asked this

    So, what is more important ??
    The concept of property or the concept of fairness ?


    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Property.


    I have no doubt every slave owner in pre civil war America would stand proudly and give you an ovation.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Me too. I lived in Los Angeles County for about a year when I knew California was not the state for me. To the People Republic of California I was a cash cow to be milked for the benefit of the government. So I found a similar job in Alabama and have never regretted leaving California.
    I have been to California many times.
    I have been to Alabama once.

    There are obvious reasons why.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    All the evidence is right under all your noses....as private sector unions declined so did the pay of all workers. The rich and make no mistake about this it is the RICH that have taken benefits and pensions off private sector workers. I DEFY anyone to prove me wrong now...while they were taking benefits and your pensions in the last 20 yrs CEO pay has SOARED along with their bonus and perks. They have stagnated your pay and theirs SOARED. They took from YOU and gave it to themselves.
    Since 1983 taxs for the 1% and corporations have been cut fully in half and even more for capitiol gains. While their taxs were being cut, they sent millions of decent paying american jobs to china and elsewhere to enable THEM to make even more at the workers expense.
    Now tell me non rich private sector workers have they seen any trickle down...Of course they havent...they lost benefits and pensions and pay all the while the rich were getting their taxs halved and their salaries were soaring...>NOW PROVE ME WRONG any one of you...
    Guys like turtledude have the audacity to say labor was overpriced while ceo pays soared by 10s of millions...in his mind workers are just plain dogchit and dont deserve a dime, they are surfs, lackeys, peons, slaves for the rich to do as they choose with...F that, I will lose my life before I ever let that happen.
    Now the same PIGS are after Public Workers, because they CANT ALLOW the dumbass private sector working class to ever figure out just how badly theyve been screwed...they cant afford the private sector dummys to group with public sector workers...the pigs know they would never win another election....but the rich are fortunate...they have private sector workers making from 10k a year to 200,000 BSd that they are being screwed by public workers....I keep waiting for the dumbarses to wake up...but maybe theyre just to dumb to ever realize it.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    earthworm asked this







    I have no doubt every slave owner in pre civil war America would stand proudly and give you an ovation.
    they just might... but that doesn't excuse your intellectual dishonesty in implying he supports slavery by supporting property rights.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have been to California many times.
    I have been to Alabama once.

    There are obvious reasons why.
    obvious reason eh.... let me think...

    you enjoy surfing and the waves in Alabama suck?

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