View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    Who the hell is forcing anyone into a union... find a different job..
    LOL. There is not a booming market for private police, teachers or firefighters. The whole idea behind gov't employee unions is that they have a captive bunch to exploit and only a single "boss" to negotiate with, that tends to need campaign cash to keep that position as "boss", and has no reason NOT to spend a bit more of "other people's money" if they think they can fool them into believing that it was "necessary" or "fair".
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    You do realize, dont you, that ~90% of American workers are NOT in a union, right?
    But 10% ( IF this figure is true) will be affected, or is this not enough to matter ?
    Or, as I recall, 10% of the people in Germany during the 30s were "non-Christian".

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I can see your problem. You are unfamiliar with the concept of property and the right to own. Given that huge problem you default to the statist belief that all property belongs to the state for the government's use.
    That's silly. The notion that people should be expected to pitch in to keep the society that they draw their wealth from strong in no way contradicts the right to property. The right to property isn't a license to freeload.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    Who the hell is forcing anyone into a union... find a different job..
    what right do you have to keep people from working at the job they want?
    being a member of a union has exactly dick to do with a persons capacity/ability/qualifications to perform a job.

    it seems freedom of association is a one way street to you guys.... you want the freedom to associate and you are willing to offer benefits for that association, but you are also willing to deny people jobs over their choice not to associate with an entity that is external to the employer.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I can see your problem. You are unfamiliar with the concept of property and the right to own. Given that huge problem you default to the statist belief that all property belongs to the state for the government's use.
    So, what is more important ??
    The concept of property or the concept of fairness ?
    BTW, I do feel that the land should belong to the people, not individuals....who stole the land to begin with...

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    During 50 years of work, its been both open and closed shops; union and non-union...
    My take : unions are necessary for the working man....A PITA for the businessman, perticulary the the cave-man business man....
    Yes the truth can be complicated, and more complicated for those who wish to spin and stretch.
    Thank you for your opinion.

    My opinion is that the Democrat party is going to be starved of coerced funding as more states change their laws requiring that public sector union members have their dues withheld by the state and passed to the unions. This will break the back of the union-democrat party stranglehold on the taxpayers.

    In the same way as tough laws on illegal immigration will flourish as courts hear the cases and agree that states can enforce them so too will laws breaking the bond between public sector unions and the Democrat party as recalls fail.

    This was a blow to statism. It is just one battle in what must be a very long war to regain our liberty.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    That's silly. The notion that people should be expected to pitch in to keep the society that they draw their wealth from strong in no way contradicts the right to property. The right to property isn't a license to freeload.
    Lol. So the government has a license to take your property to support them or do you not realize you just said that.

    Like usual you fail to realize the difference between taxes as an idea and the government taking your income in the form of such ideas as the income tax.

    Tell me again why do you believe the government can take your income with force but other people/organizations can not? Don't worry if you fail to notice there is no difference because after all it is to be expected.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    But, in the past, this was a practice...And if the conservatives fully take over this November, expect the past to return...
    Quite the horrible thought....
    I don't believe anyone has floated a policy idea of firing anyone over their choice to join a union, if they did, I would vehemently oppose them.... the most you can say is that they want to end the practice of unions closing their shops ( denying jobs ) and paying mandatory unions dues.

    your fearmongering is noted, though.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    That's silly. The notion that people should be expected to pitch in to keep the society that they draw their wealth from strong in no way contradicts the right to property. The right to property isn't a license to freeload.
    You do see that you just agreed with my position that you are unfamiliar with property. Awesome.

    Statism is an ugly thing.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    So, what is more important ??
    The concept of property or the concept of fairness ?
    BTW, I do feel that the land should belong to the people, not individuals....who stole the land to begin with...
    The fact that you have to ask means there is very little hope for you.

    Without the right to property there is no freedom, no liberty, no justice. No fairness.

    You too are a statist. It is plain now for all to see.
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