View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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  • Unions will respond and their power will grow.

    14 19.18%
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I have no problem with people forming unions, that is their right. I am simply pointing out that the employer has rights as well. One of my rights as an employer is to decide who will and who will not work for me. If you have a right to unionize, I have the right to can you for doing so.
    uh no, you don't....as i explained earlier in the thread, you have no right to fire anyone for joining a union...sorry, you don't.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What you describe is the classic clash of rights. Thankfully, we have a system in place which decides what they happens when the rights of one individual - the employer - clash with the rights of hundreds or thousands of others - the employees.
    Yes, you have the state step in on behalf of the many and crush the rights of the one. Might makes right. Except that is a poor standard for morality and an even worse one for governance.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    You could count me as one of those people in some fashion. I purposely left California almost 7 years ago. Not because of unions specifically. A large part of my list of reasons was how effed-up state government had become, though, and the state public unions certainly did play a part in that.
    Me too. I lived in Los Angeles County for about a year when I knew California was not the state for me. To the People Republic of California I was a cash cow to be milked for the benefit of the government. So I found a similar job in Alabama and have never regretted leaving California.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    uh no, you don't....as i explained earlier in the thread, you have no right to fire anyone for joining a union...sorry, you don't.
    You are discussing current law as if it, by itself, justifies itself. I am discussing principle.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The notion that the richest country in the world can't afford to pay working class people normal wages, while we give hundreds of billions or even trillions in tax giveaways to the super rich, is just disgusting. Some people just plain don't have the basic moral values that we should be able to take for granted.
    I can see your problem. You are unfamiliar with the concept of property and the right to own. Given that huge problem you default to the statist belief that all property belongs to the state for the government's use.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    49% Favor Public Employee Unions, 46% Oppose.....thats ater the recall vote in wisc, if public unions were in the great decline that Cpwill and turtledude say then they should be in the 30s....oops but they are still on top with all the MILLIONS the krotch bros and Rove have spent

    49% Favor Public Employee Unions, 46% Oppose - Rasmussen Reports™
    Sometimes the truth get complicated, doesn't it?

    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 15% of Likely U.S. Voters think workers who do not belong to a union should be required by law to pay union dues if the company they work for is unionized. Seventy-four percent (74%) disagree and say non-union workers should not be forced to pay dues in a closed union shop. Eleven percent (11%) are not sure. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

    74% Favor Right-to-Work Law Eliminating Mandatory Union Dues - Rasmussen Reports™

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    uh no, you don't....as i explained earlier in the thread, you have no right to fire anyone for joining a union...sorry, you don't.
    But, in the past, this was a practice...And if the conservatives fully take over this November, expect the past to return...
    Quite the horrible thought....

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    But, in the past, this was a practice...And if the conservatives fully take over this November, expect the past to return...
    Quite the horrible thought....
    You do realize, dont you, that ~90% of American workers are NOT in a union, right?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    No one should be force into a union just because of there job.
    Who the hell is forcing anyone into a union... find a different job..
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Sometimes the truth get complicated, doesn't it?

    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 15% of Likely U.S. Voters think workers who do not belong to a union should be required by law to pay union dues if the company they work for is unionized. Seventy-four percent (74%) disagree and say non-union workers should not be forced to pay dues in a closed union shop. Eleven percent (11%) are not sure. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
    This scenario is ludricrous...
    Look, I agree that many unions have "gotten carried away" and this sickness also affects ownership and management.
    I think that this is a way of cracking open a union, by the conservatives....IMO, it simply cannot be...partially open, partially shut... I do not see how this can work fairly and effectively..

    74% Favor Right-to-Work Law Eliminating Mandatory Union Dues - Rasmussen Reports™
    During 50 years of work, its been both open and closed shops; union and non-union...
    My take : unions are necessary for the working man....A PITA for the businessman, perticulary the the cave-man business man....
    Yes the truth can be complicated, and more complicated for those who wish to spin and stretch.

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