View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flippinfunky View Post
    Such dishonest BS. There is a difference between union thugs and union workers. Union workers are generally honest hard working people. Union thugs are the ones that just sit around and lie their asses off demanding crap that they do not deserve. They're normally called Union Bosses or Union Leaders.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    mmmmm no it is not.....strike two
    wow, what a well-reasoned and thoroughly argued point. Here, I'll see you and I'll raise you a "Yes, it is. Employees who wish to be part of a union are free to go work with one."

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Right at the height of the teaparty assault on public unions and after the wisconsin recall vote...still more americans support public unions than do not....that number will GROW as the teaparty and conservative support diminishs...and make no mistake it will diminish and big time.
    Walker won recall with a bigger margin of victory than he won the original election. Where do you see this backlash of pro-public-union-depredation?

    49% Favor Public Employee Unions, 46% Oppose.....thats ater the recall vote in wisc, if public unions were in the great decline that Cpwill and turtledude say then they should be in the 30s....oops but they are still on top with all the MILLIONS the krotch bros and Rove have spent

    49% Favor Public Employee Unions, 46% Oppose - Rasmussen Reports™
    openness to the existence of public sector unions does not translate to automatic support for wrecking state and local governments in order to provide them with above-average compensation packages.

    and you may want to check that back a few years, and see what the direction of travel is. My guess is, you won't like it.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    If they do it will be only bad for federal, state, and municipal governments.
    Federal government workers aren't unionized.

    It's not the public sector unions that are bankrupting these state and local governments. Rather, its the pension plans that they don't fund.
    That they didn't fund, or that they did fund, but allowing the pension funds to make ridiculous growth assumptions. Along with exploding healthcare costs.

    The fact is that Public Unions negotiated benefits packages that the States and Localities were never going to be able to afford, putting money in or no. But it was in the best interest of both people at the table to give union members a big win that they would never be on the hook for - as both the union negotiators and politicians would long since be retired by then.

    So it would make more sense to get rid of pension plans and instead have a 401K plan that governments must pay into for every paycheck the worker gets than have these pension plans. And the union can help negotiate these plans for the workers.
    True, we are going to move from defined-benefit to defined-contribution in most sectors - eventually to include not just public pensions, but Social Security as well. Defined-benefit simply turned out to be too unwieldy, unsuited for the modern job market, and too expensive. Private enterprise went first, then states and localities, and finally the Federal government will have to follow.

    But that is a healthy compromise that makes way too much sense that doesn't feed into any of the partisan ideology of either side and will actually work for the mutual benefit of government workers and government administrators, and we just cannot have that in our country.
    Well it doesn't help that public unions have spent the last couple of decades ideologically positioning themselves against capitalism and the market.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Such dishonest BS. There is a difference between union thugs and union workers. Union workers are generally honest hard working people. Union thugs are the ones that just sit around and lie their asses off demanding crap that they do not deserve. They're normally called Union Bosses or Union Leaders.
    Mitt Romney doesn't seem to think so...he doesn't think we need more firemen, policemen and teachers. How many Public sector union "workers" agree with the notion that they're "thugs"?

    If you're going to answer with "plenty" let me advance my reply: There's nothing worse than a union worker who hates the union. Find another job then.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    no strawman, the absolute truth..and cp, you already have the 'right to work'...you don't have to work in a union shop, you can find a non union shop to your liking. to pretend that you don't have a choice is absurd and dishonest.
    I'm fine with choice and I'm fine with the existence of closed shops - just so long as the system is balanced and non-union shops are allowed as well . Government should not tilt the scales in favor of either employees or business owners; they should rather be left to work things out between themselves.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flippinfunky View Post
    Mitt Romney doesn't seem to think so...he doesn't think we need more firemen, policemen and teachers. How many Public sector union "workers" agree with the notion that they're "thugs"?

    If you're going to answer with "plenty" let me advance my reply: There's nothing worse than a union worker who hates the union. Find another job then.
    First and foremost. I don't give a crap what Romney thinks or says. Appeals to authority don't mean squat.

    Why should they find another job? What the hell kind of mentality does it take to demand someone join their union just because they want to do the same job as those in that union?

    And of course union thugs wouldn't agree with the notion that they're "thugs". That has a negative connotation to it. You can call horse dung a rose if you wanted to...but in the end it is still horse dung.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    "History is a great teacher. Now everyone knows that the labor movement did not diminish the strength of the nation but enlarged it. By raising the living standards of millions, labor miraculously created a market for industry and lifted the whole nation to undreamed of levels of production. Those who attack labor forget these simple truths, but history remembers them."

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "History is a great teacher. Now everyone knows that the labor movement did not diminish the strength of the nation but enlarged it. By raising the living standards of millions, labor miraculously created a market for industry and lifted the whole nation to undreamed of levels of production. Those who attack labor forget these simple truths, but history remembers them."

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    public sector unions do not raise standard of living for millions, they create no market for industry, and we are talking about state government.. production doesn't enter into the equation as the don't produce anything.

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