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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    No one should be force into a union just because of there job.
    It's not force: it's democratic process when voting for representation. In union shops, it's the same kind of requirement as having to buy your own uniform and wear it. Or joining the army and wanting to wear your own clothes: it's a matter of choice. If ya' don't want it, don't choose it.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Joining a union should be a choice and it should never be a condition of employment.Closed shops remove this choice especially for anyone wanting to be a public school teacher, police officer or some other public sector career that has a closed shop.
    It's not a choice in some places because it's not a choice to benefit from what unions negotiate. If you teach in a public school where unions negotiate better security, then you are a free rider if you don't pay union dues. That's ridiculous.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Joining a union should be a choice and it should never be a condition of employment.Closed shops remove this choice especially for anyone wanting to be a public school teacher, police officer or some other public sector career that has a closed shop.
    Closed shops imply a history. Each company has their own history and their own dynamic. If one does not want to take advantage of membership benefits, then look elsewhere for employment: isn't that what conservatives say about working under conditions that are unsatisfactory?

    I don't get the double standard?
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    No one should be force into a union just because of there job.
    no one is 'forced' to do anything....you always have a choice.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Joining a union should be a choice and it should never be a condition of employment.Closed shops remove this choice especially for anyone wanting to be a public school teacher, police officer or some other public sector career that has a closed shop. Whether or someone works for a company should only be between the employee and employer and should have nothing to do with the union.Whether or not someone joins a union should only be between the individual and the union and should have nothing to do with the employer.
    as i stated earlier, no one is 'forced' to do anything....you always have a choice on where to work, if you don't like working in a union shop, there are plenty of places out there that are non-union...why should you have the right to walk into a place that is a union shop, where the employees voted for unionization, and say 'no thanks' to joining the union, but still be able to enjoy the benefits of that union's presence? no free riders. funny how you never hear about a 'free rider' turning down the benefits they enjoy because of the union, you never hear of a 'free rider' going up to the boss, and asking for less pay, less benefits, because they are not in the union...

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    I hope it's the beginning of the end of public employee unions. I don't care if the private sector wants unions; the private sector runs on profit, and if the union demands put them out of business, then too-bad so-sad. It's different when non-profit municipalities, states, counties, etc. are unionized. Municipal management negotiates with taxpayer dollars, not profits. When union demands exceed taxpayer revenues, then the governing body (city council, state legislature, etc.) just ups taxes to pay for it.

    I've been at the negotiating table with public unions. They don't give a damn about the citizens and neither does management, which supposedly is on the taxpayer's side... but really only cares about keeping their own public jobs, also taxpayer provided. When it comes to public unions, this is how it goes at the negotiating table:

    1. Union demands increase in salary and benefits

    2. City shows that projected revenues can't cover the increase, and rejects the demands.

    3. Public union employees picket city hall, man the phone banks and hit the airwaves: "City management refuses to adequately compensate public employees, jeopardizing the health and safety of citizens. Police will not be adequately funded to protect citizens. Firemen will not be adequately funded to handle fire and emergency situations. Water treatment quality control will be jeopardized. Public safety from road and street light maintenance will be jeopardized. Public services in all sectors will be cut. Call City Hall now! Demand they negotiate in good faith to retain the public services citizens deserve!"

    4. Terrified citizens inundate City Hall and Council Chambers demanding that health and public safety services not be cut, and insisting that union demands are met.

    5. City Management gives in to union demands. Since state law will not allow any public municipality to run on a deficit, tax increases are passed by the City Council to fund the increase in union wage and benefit costs.

    6. Citizens, outraged by huge tax increase, recall the entire City Council. A new City Council is seated. Public employees pocket their fat raises, and wait for the new contract to expire in 2-3 years to begin the cycle all over again.

    That's a summary of what goes on behind the scenes when dealing with public employee unions. The demands of private-sector unions are tempered by the reality that if the company can't make a profit, everyone will lose their jobs. Private employee unions have no such fear. They always get what they want because they know by threatening citizens with the loss of health and safety services, citizens will rally their support without having a clue that it is all coming out of their own pockets.

    Public employee unions are evil. They should be illegal, and in 26 states they ARE illegal. Those states, BTW, get along just fine without fleecing taxpayers everytime the unions want a higher-than-cost-of-living raise.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    They should be forced if they will in anyway benefit from something a union negotiates.
    I believe that the country benefits from Conservative governance. Ergo, all citizens should be forced to donate money to conservative candidates for political office. Yes?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    no one is 'forced' to do anything....you always have a choice.
    You realize that is also an argument for allowing employers to ban unions? If the workers do not like the conditions of their employment... they always have a choice to go elsewhere.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I believe that the country benefits from Conservative governance. Ergo, all citizens should be forced to donate money to conservative candidates for political office. Yes?
    If - it were democratically elected as a reuirement, then you would be right; but . . .
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    i think that unions are certainly on the decline, both private and public. and as i've stated before, may those who wish for the demise of unions live to work in an economy without them.

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