View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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  • Yes, their power has waxed and now it shall wane.

    44 60.27%
  • Unions will respond and their power will grow.

    14 19.18%
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You have not posted anything of substance - only your usual pompous pontifications worshipping Mammon.

    Of course, you could actually build a case with verifiable evidence. We will await that.
    MOre of the usual nonsense. Mammon? the patron idol of those who gain power by using government to take property from those who earned it?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The people that support public unions INCLUDE all the people police have saved...all the parents that had kids saved by cops and fireman...all the people who had fireman running into thier burning buildings to save their families and pets while they were running out...people that treasure their public school teachers...that got them started to success and all the people that know that the assault on public unions is just cover by the rich to gain control of the one last thing they cant control...GOVT WORKERS so they are trying to end run but turning the country against them...YOU WILL FAIL in the end...no one is going to roll over and play dead for the true entitlement crowd the pigs at the trough who whine incessantly how they are being abused.....but its not going to work in the end...after this election cycle its all going to begin changing...
    Had a long wait in the Doctors office, I brought my wife for her appt...I was talking to a few couples...two of which said they were lifelong republicans that have dropped them like a ton of bricks...I said so have I...we collectively agreed were sick of the dispicable whining of the rich that HAVE IT ALL ...Id bet theres alot more like us...that the polls dont reflect....
    Now this is just hilarious. I live in a right to work state. I have yet to see ANY corporation control government workers. I haven't even seen them attempt to try.

    Also there are lots of unions in this state. Including public unions.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you are speaking for everyone now? rather than refuting what I have posted (and dozens of others have posted -often in the economic forum on this board) you throw out moronic platitudes that are basically a facade for your well known inability to actually counter facts
    Pretending you don't know- still after we've discussed it literally 100s of times- that FIT are less than half of taxes, is just flat out dishonest. And, yeah, everybody sees you doing it. Over and over and over. Many times you try it many times in a single thread and get called out pretty much every time.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Pretending you don't know- still after we've discussed it literally 100s of times- that FIT are less than half of taxes, is just flat out dishonest. And, yeah, everybody sees you doing it. Over and over and over. Many times you try it many times in a single thread and get called out pretty much every time.
    You are confused as usual. THE FIT and the ESTATE tax are the only progressive federal taxes on income. The fact is I have always said the top one percent pays close to 40% of the FIT and yet makes 22% of the income. The FIT is tied to income. I cannot help it if you cannot figure that out. gasoline taxes, FICA, state sales taxes, property taxes etc are not directly tied to income.

    try again. what you whine about is your incorrect interpretation of what I have said. The rich are the only group that pay a HIGHER share of the FEDERAL INCOME (repeat INCOME) Tax than their SHARE OF THE ITEM THAT TAX APPLIES TO-INCOME

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You are confused as usual. THE FIT and the ESTATE tax are the only progressive federal taxes on income. The fact is I have always said the top one percent pays close to 40% of the FIT and yet makes 22% of the income. The FIT is tied to income. I cannot help it if you cannot figure that out. gasoline taxes, FICA, state sales taxes, property taxes etc are not directly tied to income.
    So, again, for the 100th time, none of that counters the argument at all. As you know.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    So, again, for the 100th time, none of that counters the argument at all. As you know.
    You keep spewing that crud as if it convinces anyone other than the other advocates of parasitic government

    you cannot deny what I have said-its iron clad fact that the richest one percent have the greatest gap between their share of the national income and their share of the federal INCOME tax burden

    refute that? you have not come close. in fact your evasive BS is proof you cannot

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    So, again, for the 100th time, none of that counters the argument at all. As you know.
    He knows. However, facts do not deter him. Reality does not deter him.

    This is simply about one thing and only one thing above all else: Turtle believes. This is a matter of faith.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    He knows. However, facts do not deter him. Reality does not deter him.

    This is simply about one thing and only one thing above all else: Turtle believes. This is a matter of faith.
    Lets see-I posted indisputable facts and two advocates of parasitic government merely engaged in nattering nothings in response

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you cannot deny what I have said-its iron clad fact that the richest one percent have the greatest gap between their share of the national income and their share of the federal INCOME tax burden
    Seriously?!?! You honestly are going to pull the "I really am just too stupid to understand even after having it explained to me a thousand times" angle with me? You aren't humiliated to stoop that low? Obviously you're fully aware of what you're doing. You're just selectively pointing only to the progressive taxes in a system that is a mix of progressive and regressive taxes, and blurting out that they are progressive. There really is no way you aren't capable of understanding why that is a problem. I've explained it to you SOOOO many different ways patiently over and over like I'm talking to a three year old, but still you pretend not to get it. It's just shameful.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Seriously?!?! You honestly are going to pull the "I really am just too stupid to understand even after having it explained to me a thousand times" angle with me? You aren't humiliated to stoop that low? Obviously you're fully aware of what you're doing. You're just selectively pointing only to the progressive taxes in a system that is a mix of progressive and regressive taxes, and blurting out that they are progressive. There really is no way you aren't capable of understanding why that is a problem. I've explained it to you SOOOO many different ways patiently over and over like I'm talking to a three year old, but still you pretend not to get it. It's just shameful.
    1) your unsupported assertions that

    a) you are smarter than me despite your dependency on government
    b) and your inability to do anything other than claim you are right

    are pathetic

    2) also pathetic is pretending that regressive taxes matter when discussing progressive taxes or that state taxes matter when discussing federal taxes

    3) the federal income tax scheme falls rather heavily on the top one percent-a fact you cannot dispute but you then whine about other taxes

    no matter what you whine about, the rich pay far more of the TOTAL federal taxes than any other group and this is especially true when dealing with the FIT and completely true when dealing with the estate or death tax.

    Your sanctimonious airs are a facade for you inability to deal with reality. You aren't smarter than me or most of the other posters on this board and your posts are rather pathetic

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