View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I wonder why after several years you cannot supply a definition of net taxpayer that can be applied to the American people?
    well most public sector workers are clearly NOT net Tax payers. The last number I heard was about 117K a year in earned income was about the break where you are actually paying more in FIT than you are getting but of course there are many variables.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well most public sector workers are clearly NOT net Tax payers. The last number I heard was about 117K a year in earned income was about the break where you are actually paying more in FIT than you are getting but of course there are many variables.
    And it is those self admitted MANY VARIABLES that render your holier than thou "net taxpayer" label to be worth less than a common fifty pound bag of garden manure.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    When there is liberty and justice for all, no one will want to mess much with the structure of that status quo.

    When there isn't liberty and justice for all, well, then, depending on the nature and degree of the imbalance, people with principles will make an effort to restore the balance.

    When it comes to the age-old battle in the money system between owners and their minions and workers and their rabble, time will tell as to the form and structure of the liberty and justice balancing mechanism that will attempt to be utilized by the party suffering less liberty or less justice.

    One thing, however, is certain, and that's that if history is any indication, if one perceived liberty and justice balancing mechanism is discarded, no matter which party does the discarding, another one will surely take it's place, in time.

    Usually the subsequent release level of the item is a more effective mechanism.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And it is those self admitted MANY VARIABLES that render your holier than thou "net taxpayer" label to be worth less than a common fifty pound bag of garden manure.
    well its easy to know who is a net tax consumer-public sector workers who are paid with our tax dollars. those of us paying over 100K in taxes are clearly net tax payers

    speaking of garden manure.........

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    of the FIT
    Seriously man. Just shameful. You need to get your act together. It's 100% obvious to everybody that you're doing this on purpose. Nobody is fooled.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I wonder how many of those who favor Public sector unions are net tax payers. I suspect not too many
    The people that support public unions INCLUDE all the people police have saved...all the parents that had kids saved by cops and fireman...all the people who had fireman running into thier burning buildings to save their families and pets while they were running out...people that treasure their public school teachers...that got them started to success and all the people that know that the assault on public unions is just cover by the rich to gain control of the one last thing they cant control...GOVT WORKERS so they are trying to end run but turning the country against them...YOU WILL FAIL in the end...no one is going to roll over and play dead for the true entitlement crowd the pigs at the trough who whine incessantly how they are being abused.....but its not going to work in the end...after this election cycle its all going to begin changing...
    Had a long wait in the Doctors office, I brought my wife for her appt...I was talking to a few couples...two of which said they were lifelong republicans that have dropped them like a ton of bricks...I said so have I...we collectively agreed were sick of the dispicable whining of the rich that HAVE IT ALL ...Id bet theres alot more like us...that the polls dont reflect....

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well its easy to know who is a net tax consumer-public sector workers who are paid with our tax dollars. those of us paying over 100K in taxes are clearly net tax payers

    speaking of garden manure.........
    BS. Lots and lots and lots of BS.

    All you are doing is looking at one side of the ledger. Google amazon and you will find lots of basic accounting books. You will learn something new: there are two sides to be considered. In this case one must look at taxes paid in and total benefit received.

    I have a famous post of yours where you admit that is not possible to calculate.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Seriously man. Just shameful. You need to get your act together. It's 100% obvious to everybody that you're doing this on purpose. Nobody is fooled.
    so you are speaking for everyone now? rather than refuting what I have posted (and dozens of others have posted -often in the economic forum on this board) you throw out moronic platitudes that are basically a facade for your well known inability to actually counter facts

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you are speaking for everyone now? rather than refuting what I have posted (and dozens of others have posted -often in the economic forum on this board) you throw out moronic platitudes that are basically a facade for your well known inability to actually counter facts
    You have not posted anything of substance - only your usual pompous pontifications worshipping Mammon.

    Of course, you could actually build a case with verifiable evidence. We will await that.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The people that support public unions INCLUDE all the people police have saved...all the parents that had kids saved by cops and fireman...all the people who had fireman running into thier burning buildings to save their families and pets while they were running out...people that treasure their public school teachers...that got them started to success and all the people that know that the assault on public unions is just cover by the rich to gain control of the one last thing they cant control...GOVT WORKERS so they are trying to end run but turning the country against them...YOU WILL FAIL in the end...no one is going to roll over and play dead for the true entitlement crowd the pigs at the trough who whine incessantly how they are being abused.....but its not going to work in the end...after this election cycle its all going to begin changing...
    Had a long wait in the Doctors office, I brought my wife for her appt...I was talking to a few couples...two of which said they were lifelong republicans that have dropped them like a ton of bricks...I said so have I...we collectively agreed were sick of the dispicable whining of the rich that HAVE IT ALL ...Id bet theres alot more like us...that the polls dont reflect....
    all the people police have saved? LOL

    Your silly stories are just that. Nothing is more transparent than those who suck at the public teat wanting others to supply more milk


    Walker proved lots of us are tiring of the little piggies squealing for more and more milk paid for by those of us who aren't dependent on the government hog

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