View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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  • Yes, their power has waxed and now it shall wane.

    44 60.27%
  • Unions will respond and their power will grow.

    14 19.18%
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I didn't say anything about ripping anybody off. Obviously you understand that rich people get their money from society, so I'm not really sure what we're debating here.
    YOu confuse GIVEN with EARNING. Rafa Nadal is not GIVEN prize money-he WINS It. Bill Gates is not GIVEN wealth he earned it. I love the loser class and those who make excuses for it pretending that somehow the rich are given something by either the government or society.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    YOu confuse GIVEN with EARNING. Rafa Nadal is not GIVEN prize money-he WINS It. Bill Gates is not GIVEN wealth he earned it. I love the loser class and those who make excuses for it pretending that somehow the rich are given something by either the government or society.
    Well, I don't care one way or another if you want to call somebody dialing up their portfolio manager once a month to learn how many millions more they got that month "earning" that money... Certainly seems like a fairly tortured use of the language, but who cares. It's just rhetoric. What I said was that we give hundreds of billions to the rich in tax giveaways, not that they don't earn their money. Giving a person a tax subsidy isn't any different than any other kind of spending really. The only real difference is what you print on the top of the check.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Well, I don't care one way or another if you want to call somebody dialing up their portfolio manager once a month to learn how many millions more they got that month "earning" that money... Certainly seems like a fairly tortured use of the language, but who cares. It's just rhetoric. What I said was that we give hundreds of billions to the rich in tax giveaways, not that they don't earn their money. Giving a person a tax subsidy isn't any different than any other kind of spending really. The only real difference is what you print on the top of the check.
    ITs funny how the people who whine about the wealthy try to justify their butt hurt caterwauling by picking extreme examples. Its like saying all welfare recipients are crack Ho's or that all union workers are people sleeping off their hangovers on the job protected by union bosses who are bankrupting the employer.

    The richest top one percent pay 40% of the federal income tax burden and when you throw the estate tax in on top of that they are paying even more. In fact no group pay a higher difference between their share of the income and their share of the tax burden. In reality everyone else is getting tax subsidies paid for by the top one percent.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Right at the height of the teaparty assault on public unions and after the wisconsin recall vote...still more americans support public unions than do not....that number will GROW as the teaparty and conservative support diminishs...and make no mistake it will diminish and big time.

    49% Favor Public Employee Unions, 46% Oppose.....thats ater the recall vote in wisc, if public unions were in the great decline that Cpwill and turtledude say then they should be in the 30s....oops but they are still on top with all the MILLIONS the krotch bros and Rove have spent

    49% Favor Public Employee Unions, 46% Oppose - Rasmussen Reports™

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Right at the height of the teaparty assault on public unions and after the wisconsin recall vote...still more americans support public unions than do not....that number will GROW as the teaparty and conservative support diminishs...and make no mistake it will diminish and big time.

    49% Favor Public Employee Unions, 46% Oppose.....thats ater the recall vote in wisc, if public unions were in the great decline that Cpwill and turtledude say then they should be in the 30s....oops but they are still on top with all the MILLIONS the krotch bros and Rove have spent

    49% Favor Public Employee Unions, 46% Oppose - Rasmussen Reports™
    I wonder how many of those who favor Public sector unions are net tax payers. I suspect not too many

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ITs funny how the people who whine about the wealthy try to justify their butt hurt caterwauling by picking extreme examples. Its like saying all welfare recipients are crack Ho's or that all union workers are people sleeping off their hangovers on the job protected by union bosses who are bankrupting the employer.

    The richest top one percent pay 40% of the federal income tax burden and when you throw the estate tax in on top of that they are paying even more. In fact no group pay a higher difference between their share of the income and their share of the tax burden. In reality everyone else is getting tax subsidies paid for by the top one percent.
    shhh no one pays attention to your whining we know its all contrived bs....the top 1% have all the money they stole it off the 99% and we WILL get more off you...and I will remind you gleefully when it happens my friend

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ITs funny how the people who whine about the wealthy try to justify their butt hurt caterwauling by picking extreme examples. Its like saying all welfare recipients are crack Ho's or that all union workers are people sleeping off their hangovers on the job protected by union bosses who are bankrupting the employer.
    How is it an extreme example? Most of the super rich don't work. Making over $1 million a year without working is pretty much the standard definition of the rich. What is it about my example that you thought was extreme?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The richest top one percent pay 40% of the federal income tax burden and when you throw the estate tax in on top of that they are paying even more. In fact no group pay a higher difference between their share of the income and their share of the tax burden. In reality everyone else is getting tax subsidies paid for by the top one percent.
    How many times do you think I've debunked that with you TD? 100? 1,000? Yet there you are still pretending you don't know any better... Its just shameful. I don't really know what else to say about that.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    shhh no one pays attention to your whining we know its all contrived bs....the top 1% have all the money they stole it off the 99% and we WILL get more off you...and I will remind you gleefully when it happens my friend

    your envious rants are idiotic. how does a professional baseball player steal from public sector teat suckers? How does a doctor? That you think you should be able to steal more from those more productive and intelligent than you are is hilarious but it is the mindset we expect from public sector union types

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    How is it an extreme example? Most of the super rich don't work. Making over $1 million a year without working is pretty much the standard definition of the rich. What is it about my example that you thought was extreme?



    How many times do you think I've debunked that with you TD? 100? 1,000? Yet there you are still pretending you don't know any better... Its just shameful. I don't really know what else to say about that.
    You have never debunked anything What I have posted is beyond dispute. The top one percent between 36 and 39% of the FIT and all the estate taxes-the two progressive federal taxes levied upon American citizens. The top one percent make between 16 and 22% of the total income. You have never come close to debunking this, Your master Obama considers anyone making more than 250K rich. I make over a million and I work. I know lots of millionaires-in fact just about everyone who belongs to the same club I play tennis and squash at is a millionaire using the definition of One million in assets and I suspect at least a quarter of them make more than a million a year and almost all of them work rather hard. Top doctors, lawyers, the president of PG, the CFO of GE jet engines, the president of U of Cincinnati, the president of Cincinnati Bell etc.

    what other 1 percent of the US public pays that much income tax?

    Posts whining about the rich scream a serious level of FAILURE

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I wonder how many of those who favor Public sector unions are net tax payers. I suspect not too many
    I wonder why after several years you cannot supply a definition of net taxpayer that can be applied to the American people?
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