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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't an employer hire some workers from one union, some more workers from another union, and even more workers directly as individuals?
    Is that the case? In Britain, you have the employment right to be a union member, or not, and an employer may not discriminate against you for being either. You can even choose to be a member of a union which your employer doesn't recognise for negotiations, though why you would want to belong to a union that couldn't represent you is beyond me.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    more crap-its much harder to fire a public sector employee-even a non union one than someone in the private sector. Public sector unions are often a problem. just ask the Post Office
    Nahh, in order to fire a union employee; pubic of private, there has to be 'just cause'. It's that requirement that gives employers such a hard time. If it's just cause, a hearing is usually not even necessary because the business agents won't waste their time.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The thing with unions is that they can't work for just a portion of the employee group. I'm not sure why, but whatever they negotiate goes to everyone. So, in that situation, it would be very cheap for all workers to not join but gain the benefits. While we're not a union where I work, we do have a bargining group that collects dues from members (we give scholorships with the money). Whatever we gain goes to everyone, regardless of being a member or not. Some feel that is quite unfair.
    Regarding the bolded above, why does this have to be? Each contract with an employer could simply apply to those covered under the contract, with other employees being covered under their own employment contracts.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I believe that some places do that, but... from what I have heard it almost never works out well. What you are suggesting is adult behavior, and adults seldom act adult-like.
    I agree with the adults seldom acting adult-like part.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Is that the case? In Britain, you have the employment right to be a union member, or not, and an employer may not discriminate against you for being either. You can even choose to be a member of a union which your employer doesn't recognise for negotiations, though why you would want to belong to a union that couldn't represent you is beyond me.
    Thanks for sharing. I always like to hear how other places run things.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Lately we have seen Republican and Democrat (though, oddly, only Republicans make news with it) Governors work to save their states from fiscal ruin by curtailing the Public Unions, either in finances or in power. Have the last two years marked the beginning of the end for the Public Sector Union, and will they go the way of the Private Sector Union?
    It is the fate of those who are inexperienced and immature to jump to conclusions based on a particular moment that they believe is forever with us. They do not have the longevity to understand that perspective dictates that things come and go in waves and the tide is sometimes in and sometimes out.. Sometimes the shores are flooded while at other times the harbor appears dry and empty.

    I would urge you to read this

    WRECKING BALL by Bruce Springsteen

    I was raised out of steel here in the swamps of Jersey, some misty years ago
    Through the mud and the beer, and the blood and the cheers, I've seen champions come and go
    So if you got the guts mister, yeah, if you got the balls
    If you think it's your time, then step to the line, and bring on your wrecking ball

    Bring on your wrecking ball
    Bring on your wrecking ball
    Come on and take your best shot, let me see what you got
    Bring on your wrecking ball

    Now my home's here in these meadowlands where mosquitoes grow big as airplanes
    Here where the blood is spilled, the arena's filled, and giants played their games
    So raise up your glasses and let me hear your voices call
    Because tonight all the dead are here, so bring on your wrecking ball

    Bring on your wrecking ball
    Bring on your wrecking ball
    Come on and take your best shot, let me see what you got
    Bring on your wrecking ball

    One, two, a one two three four!

    Yeah! Hey!

    Yeah, we know that come tomorrow, none of this will be here
    So hold tight on your anger, you hold tight on your anger
    Hold tight to your anger, don't fall to your fears

    Now when all this steel and these stories, they drift away to rust
    And all our youth and beauty, it's been given to the dust
    When the game has been decided and we're burning down the clock
    And all our little victories and glories have turned into parking lots
    When your best hopes and desires are scattered through the wind
    And hard times come, and hard times go
    And hard times come, and hard times go
    And hard times come, and hard times go
    And hard times come, and hard times go
    And hard times come, and hard times go
    Yeah just to come again

    Bring on your wrecking ball
    Bring on your wrecking ball
    Come on and take your best shot, let me see what you got
    Bring on your wrecking ball
    Bring on your wrecking ball (bring on your wrecking ball)
    Bring on your wrecking ball (bring on your wrecking ball)
    Come on and take your best shot, let me see what you got
    Bring on your wrecking ball




    So bring it on radical right wingers. Bring on that wrecking ball to destroy the 20th century that you hate so much. But just do not be too surprised when it swings back in your own direction eventually.

    It always does.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    there is an old saying

    If you intend to shoot the king you best not miss

    the unions shot and missed.

    paybacks are a bitch. Let the heads roll
    I believe it was Saint Sarah of the Far Right Frozen North who gave the advice to "RELOAD".
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    there is an old saying

    If you intend to shoot the king you best not miss

    the unions shot and missed.

    paybacks are a bitch. Let the heads roll
    This has been an ongoing fight since the founding of this country: the first union as we know it in this country was the Philadelphia shoe cobble's union organized in 1790. So this has been going on for while; nothing new.

    As I said earlier: the fuse has been lit.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    I would like to see a national right to work law past.
    I guess States rights don't mean anything to the Right when it's about Unions.


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't an employer hire some workers from one union, some more workers from another union, and even more workers directly as individuals?
    The problem is that it's then the same as no unions. Unions only work if the workers are united. That's why the "Divided Auto Workers" doesn't have any power at all.


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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