View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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Thread: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Nothing exist in vacum. Sometimes the "cure" hurts more than doing nothing.
    Well then tell us the benefits you see to outsourcing US jobs? We are waiting.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It allows us to maximize our competitive advantage while lowering our cost of living.
    I see how that has helped the 1%, how has it helped the working class in this country, whose standard of living has decreased while those at the top get richer?


    Of what good is lower costs to the jobless? Does lower cost mean unemployment payments can be stretched further?
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Well then tell us the benefits you see to outsourcing US jobs? We are waiting.
    Not wanting to get fully into this but where was the device you are posting DP with manufactured? That would certainly be a benefit to you, yes? And consider if it was manufactured in the US, would you be able to afford it? Oh, and assuming since you DID purchase it are you not promoting this 'outsourcing' problem that you are against (hypocrisy anyone)? Just sayin'.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Not wanting to get fully into this but where was the device you are posting DP with manufactured? That would certainly be a benefit to you, yes? And consider if it was manufactured in the US, would you be able to afford it? Oh, and assuming since you DID purchase it are you not promoting this 'outsourcing' problem that you are against (hypocrisy anyone)? Just sayin'.
    People in other countries without the income inequality of the US have computers. What's your point? How do the millions without jobs, who used to have jobs that were outsourced, in the US buy computers or food for that matter?

    How does making a person jobless help him?
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I see how that has helped the 1%, how has it helped the working class in this country, whose standard of living has decreased while those at the top get richer?
    It maximized their competitive advantage while lowering their cost of living?

    Of what good is lower costs to the jobless?
    Quite a bit. The jobless, in fact, are most dependent upon lower cost of living, as they have the least to live with.

    Does lower cost mean unemployment payments can be stretched further?
    not only that, but that there will be fewer unemployed.


    For all his many sins, at least FDR was smart enough to realize that Trade Wars are wars that governments wage on their own people - which is why he reduced disastrous tariffs that had helped to produce the massive unemployment of the Great Depression.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Well then tell us the benefits you see to outsourcing US jobs? We are waiting.
    How about you tell us the benefits of the business just closing instead of outsourcing 30% of the jobs.

    This is a cost benefit analysis. Not everything is black and white.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    People in other countries without the income inequality of the US have computers. What's your point? How do the millions without jobs, who used to have jobs that were outsourced, in the US buy computers or food for that matter?

    How does making a person jobless help him?
    You seriously think other western countries bans outsourcing?

    You seriously think US unemployment is due to outsourcing. With that static worldview in mind, why are you not totally against immigration. They are taking our jobs right?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It maximized their competitive advantage while lowering their cost of living?
    I asked how outsourcing US jobs have helped the working class, not how it has helped the wealthy?

    Competing with $20 dollar a day jobs in China, does not "maximize" the working class "competitive advantage."


    Quite a bit. The jobless, in fact, are most dependent upon lower cost of living, as they have the least to live with.
    They have the least to live with because of the outsourcing and reduction of pay of their jobs. But your argument is despite statistics, the working class is doing better? I think you forgot to tell them that.

    not only that, but that there will be fewer unemployed.
    And when is this supposed to kick in? Because I have not noticed that trend over the last decade.

    For all his many sins, at least FDR was smart enough to realize that Trade Wars are wars that governments wage on their own people - which is why he reduced disastrous tariffs that had helped to produce the massive unemployment of the Great Depression.

    No one has said anything about trade wars. We were talking about ending tax breaks for outsourcing US jobs, that the GOP supports and the Democrats oppose.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    How about you tell us the benefits of the business just closing instead of outsourcing 30% of the jobs.

    This is a cost benefit analysis. Not everything is black and white.
    Read the ****ing bill if you want to discuss this. I am tired of your ignorant suppositions about something you know nothing about.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    You seriously think other western countries bans outsourcing?
    Who the **** said anything about banning outsourcing. The bill is about not giving them a ****ing tax break for doing it!
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