View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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  • Yes, their power has waxed and now it shall wane.

    44 60.27%
  • Unions will respond and their power will grow.

    14 19.18%
  • It depends on November.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    I saw that you crafty devil! The counter to your SPECIFIC questions are just as poignant.

    Will lowering the cost reduce the same education need?

    Will lowering the cost reduce the same treatment need?

    Their arguement evolved around RTW/non-RTW incomes...nice try...
    I'm not sure why you think you countered me. The need for both is there regardless of cost. Don't we agree on that? So what does RTW have to do with it at all (my point).

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So what you saying is that you continue to decide that the rules of the clan and their reality of survival in their environment meant that personal property did not exist. To do this you must forget all the little things they did not share and did individually. You continue to deny that people have always decided things as theirs and there is no society that didn't.

    Second, you said there was no property at all. Collective property is STILL property. In your last post you said individual property and admitted collective property existed changing your position.

    You original position is stated in this part here:
    Ah, yes, the Great Capitalist Assumption that EVERYTHING, every single little particle in the Universe, is property. Sure some of it's still not owned because no one is using it or has claimed it but that's just a technicality.


    matter/energy = property


    We're done - thanks for playing.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    What sorts of problems do you see being created by larger businesses?
    Too many to bother discussing in this thread.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    apparently small businesses are only morally acceptable so long as they aren't... you know, too successful.
    Morality has no ledger entry. Did you sleep during your business classes or something???
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    And inflation is the result of government policy, not evil industry.
    Oh - you're one of THOSE people.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    What, exactly, are these supposed tax breaks? When were they crafted? And why werent they ended when dems ran the congress?
    Your not knowing any of this explains a lot.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Ah, yes, the Great Capitalist Assumption that EVERYTHING, every single little particle in the Universe, is property. Sure some of it's still not owned because no one is using it or has claimed it but that's just a technicality.


    matter/energy = property


    We're done - thanks for playing.
    We're done? You said that already and you kept on talking to me. I will believe it when I see it, thanks.

    I would still like an answer to why the tribe members had individual property and the tribe itself had rules for the members to assist the tribe with the use of collective property if property didn't exist at all.


    And energy/matter is property depending on where it is. It really can't be any other way.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    We're done? You said that already and you kept on talking to me. I will believe it when I see it, thanks.
    I would still like an answer to why the tribe members had individual property and the tribe itself had rules for the members to assist the tribe with the use of collective property if property didn't exist at all.
    And energy/matter is property depending on where it is. It really can't be any other way.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I would just like to hear what you think the answer is. When price increases, what happens to demand?
    Odd... Haymarket, did you answer this question, and I missed it? All else being equal, what happens to demand when price increases?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Will kids not need to be educated if you raise cost?
    no, but there is a point at which it is no longer worth the cost to have a teacher for every 15 students vice a teacher for every 25. That point comes long after you realize that it is no longer worth the cost to have nearly as many administrators as teachers.

    Will people ill not need treatment if you raise cost?
    And sometimes they won't get it, either. That, after all, is the purpose of the N.I.C.E. and the Independent Panel Advisory Board; to decide when you are no longer "cost effective". Raise the cost of plastic surgery by 100,000,00% and see


    But you are trying to make this about very specific services, when the subject was broad unionization. Take a look at businesses moving from Union to RTW states and ask yourself "why".

    It's not because they're evil. It's because they want to succeed, and a unionized workforce makes that harder.

    You tell me, what ahppens to demand.
    It decreases.

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