View Poll Results: Last two years beginning of a downward slide for Public Sector Unions?

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Thread: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun View Post
    Destroying unions isn't the answer.
    Sounds like a good start to me.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Okay, well if you don't want to go to that much effort to back up your claim, I'll narrow the sample for you. Catawba posted the cartoon in this thread - clearly he felt this was where it fell into the discussion. Can you cite a single person on this thread arguing that teachers caused the fiscal collapse?



    If that is your sole interpretation of the illustration - it is not mine.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    You would say any research that supports your view is first rate. That is the kind of person you are.

    I am NOT Dr. Lafer.
    I did NOT conduct his research nor the research he cited.

    I simply have read it, have heard him present it, have decided it is first class and makes sense and proves the point that unionstates are far superior to non union states.
    There is nothing more for me to say.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I am NOT Dr. Lafer.
    I did NOT conduct his research nor the research he cited.

    I simply have read it, have heard him present it, have decided it is first class and makes sense and proves the point that unionstates are far superior to non union states.
    There is nothing more for me to say.
    Haymarket, we all know that you think non-RTW states such as California are far superiour to RTW states. That is your personal preference. You can also believe his research, and I can't make you stop believing it.

    However, if you want me to accept his conclusions, then you need to defend his research. As you are not defending it, then please don't mention it again because it got no credibility.

    I have still proved that RTW states have a higher household income than non-RTW states. So right to work states have the right to work for more.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Talking about growth rates. Your professor said there was no correlation between growth rates, employment growth and RTW laws. However, these charts tells another story

    Beginning of the End for Public Unions?-hohmanrtw-chart2-jpg

    Last edited by Camlon; 06-14-12 at 10:17 PM.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Talking about growth rates. Your professor said there was no correlation between growth rates, employment growth and RTW laws. However, these charts tells another story

    Beginning of the End for Public Unions?-hohmanrtw-chart2-jpg

    They would, if we pretend there can never be any other factors. what makes causal arguments difficult is too many think something like this proves a point when in fact, there are likely other factors. The professor likely knows this. What would be interesting would be to know what factors he's looking at.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If that is your sole interpretation of the illustration - it is not mine.
    The title of the Cartoon is "Top Ten Ways Teachers Unions Caused The Economic Crises", and then it goes on to list 10 satirical ways in which people supposedly claim that Teachers Unions caused the fiscal meltdown we experienced. Here is the list:

    1. Bankers wouldn't destroy the economy if they'd been better educated.
    2. Summer Vacations
    3. Teachers teach evolution, so God abandoned us.
    4. Teachers Pay represents money that could have instead gone to the financial industry.
    5. Unions are evil. Booga Booga.
    6. First Graders are not charged for their education, meaning they become accustomed to "getting" things.
    7. Teachers Unions support Democrats, which support giving mortgages to black people, which destroys the economy (the picture insinuates that this is a position of the KKK).
    8. Unions lower productivity, forcing bankers to provide sub-alt mortgages
    9. Voldermort formed a teachers union.
    10. Math Teachers are responsible for us knowing that we are in an economic mess
    I would like to see what your "alternative interpretation of that is, that makes your claim that The Cartoon Contains Much Truth not mean that you are responsible for providing examples of conservatives actually making these claims.

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They would, if we pretend there can never be any other factors. what makes causal arguments difficult is too many think something like this proves a point when in fact, there are likely other factors. The professor likely knows this. What would be interesting would be to know what factors he's looking at.
    Allright Boo, I'll bite. What other factor only helps the RTW states and doesn't help the non-RTW states?

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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    what an interesting claim. can you support it?
    Are you kidding? These themes addressed in the cartoon have been made repeatedly in this thread:

    Unions are bad because they increase taxes.

    Teachers get summer vacations

    Teachers hurt the state economy

    Unions support Dems.
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    Re: Beginning of the End for Public Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post

    Is there a reason you are posting dumb cartoons in the place of arguments?
    Is there a reason you are posting dumb arguments instead of cartoons? I fail to see the distinction between cartoon-ish posts and actual cartoons on the subject.
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