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Should Psilocybin mushrooms be legalized as a headache treatment?

Should psilocybin mushrooms be legalized for headache treatments?

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    Votes: 15 83.3%
  • No

    Votes: 3 16.7%

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Luna Tick

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If you suffer from cluster or migraine headaches, you know real pain. Here's an article on treating this pain with psilocybin mushrooms aka "magic mushrooms." It's the same thing that was popular in the 60s and 70s for hallucinogenic trips, but they've been found useful for long-term relief of cluster and migraine headaches. Unfortunately, they're illegal. Here's an article about it:

Entheology.org - Preserving Ancient Knowledge
 
is there a glitch in the matrix, or did you already make this thread a while ago?
 
If I suffered from migraine headaches and I thought that these mush-rooms would alleviate the pain and suffering.....do not stand in the the way...I'd steal or grow them myself...and worry not about memory loss..
Those people who made them illegal....headaches ?
Here I am fortuniate...but other men, not so lucky...
 
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They should be legal period.
 
If you suffer from cluster or migraine headaches, you know real pain. Here's an article on treating this pain with psilocybin mushrooms aka "magic mushrooms." It's the same thing that was popular in the 60s and 70s for hallucinogenic trips, but they've been found useful for long-term relief of cluster and migraine headaches. Unfortunately, they're illegal. Here's an article about it:

Entheology.org - Preserving Ancient Knowledge

I find the source highly dubious (too much woo-ey, "ancient wisdom" BS) and don't give much credence to what the article had to say, but I will say that if there is real sound evidence for the medical use of any drug, controlled and ethical research should be legal and open.
 
I find the source highly dubious (too much woo-ey, "ancient wisdom" BS) and don't give much credence to what the article had to say, but I will say that if there is real sound evidence for the medical use of any drug, controlled and ethical research should be legal and open.

Regardless of your opinion on the article, I know for a fact that mushroom therapy does work. The only reason that it's not legal is that the pharmaceuticals stand to lose 100's of millions they now receive. Especially in the case of a cluster or migraine headache sufferer, a single low dose of psilocybin won't harm anyone.

For more info:

ClusterBusters

What's ironic is your avatar. Migraine translates to "pain on one side of the head"
 
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Regardless of your opinion on the article, I know for a fact that mushroom therapy does work. The only reason that it's not legal is that the pharmaceuticals stand to lose 100's of millions they now receive. Especially in the case of a cluster or migraine headache sufferer, a single low dose of psilocybin won't harm anyone.

For more info:

ClusterBusters

What's ironic is your avatar. Migraine translates to "pain on one side of the head"

There seems to be some evidence that psilocybin might help depression and some other mental disorders.

However, I prefer hard, peer-reviewed data to the personal reports of people on the drugs themselves.
 
However, I prefer hard, peer-reviewed data to the personal reports of people on the drugs themselves.


Either you've never suffered from such headaches, or you're too straight for your own good.

The Clusterbuster Method is a way of using hallucinogenic tryptamines such as psilocybin to relieve cluster headache. Many cluster headache sufferers, affectionately called “Clusterheads,” find that small, sub-hallucinogenic doses of these tryptamines can end cluster headache cycles and prevent entire cycles from starting.

It may seem extreme to resort to hallucinogens, but a cluster headache is nothing if not extreme. It’s been called the worst headache, or pain of any kind, known to medicine. It is also called suicide headache, as suicide is known as a thankfully-rare symptom. Many clusterheads facing this beast call it just that: the Beast.

Many medications are effective to some degree. High-volume pure oxygen, or triptans such as Imitrex injections are commonly used to relieve individual attacks. There are many treatments to prevent attacks, including verapamil, lithium and steroids; these vary in effectiveness and severity of side effects.

The Clusterbusters organization believes tryptamines are better than these prescription pharmaceuticals. Tryptamines seem more effective for preventive use, and if used carefully produce fewer side effects by far. For aborting attacks, they rival oxygen in safety and effectiveness.



Taking a single dose of anything, isn't being on drugs. What's being on drugs is taking the expensive crap the pharmaceuticals sell you day after to day that only treats each occurring headache, rather than a cure which a single dose of the shrooms do in 80% of the cases.

In 2006, Dr. John Halpern and Dr. Andrew Sewell reported to the National Headache Foundation Research Summit on their case review study, later published in the journal Neurology. They reviewed reports from Clusterheads and found over 80 percent reported significant relief using tryptamines.

These results confirmed several hundred anecdotal reports of treating cluster headaches with tryptamines. A review of these reports shows about 67 percent of chronic cluster headache sufferers and about 75 percent of episodic sufferers report significant relief. These reports were mostly collected from Internet discussion groups and internet survey forms; they aren't scientifically valid, but provide dramatic testimony from clusterheads finding relief. More formal research is in the works, see HOW WELL DOES THIS WORK?



http://clusterbusters.com/info:busting
 
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I don't see a good reason for any unrefined "drug" to be illegal. Beer, wine, weed, 'shrooms, and peyote are all perfectly natural substances - and there are others as well.
 
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I don't see any reason for any drug to be banned. It is not the place of the government to tell us what we can and can't consume.
 
I don't see a good reason for any unrefined "drug" to be illegal. Beer, wine, weed, 'shrooms, and peyote are all perfectly natural substances - and there are others as well.

Obviously, you've never consumed some hi-potency shrooms you didn't know were hi-potency shrooms.

You have to be careful with "unrefined" hallucinogens such as shrooms and peyote. Their potency can vary widely. It might actually be safer to take synthesized psilocybin or mescaline in a controlled dosage.
 
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I don't see any reason for any drug to be banned. It is not the place of the government to tell us what we can and can't consume.

Heroin should be banned.
 
If you suffer from cluster or migraine headaches, you know real pain. Here's an article on treating this pain with psilocybin mushrooms aka "magic mushrooms." It's the same thing that was popular in the 60s and 70s for hallucinogenic trips, but they've been found useful for long-term relief of cluster and migraine headaches. Unfortunately, they're illegal. Here's an article about it:

Entheology.org - Preserving Ancient Knowledge

Mushrooms should in general be legal
 
I don't see any reason for any drug to be banned. It is not the place of the government to tell us what we can and can't consume.

I'll say things like crack and meth and other "cooked" drugs should be illegal.
 
Why? It always seems to me that people who are "liberated" in this regard, approve of THEIR drugs but want to make OTHER peoples drugs illegal.

This is just a microcosm of what's wrong with America. I approve of this, so that should be illegal.

I think every single drug should be legal BUT require a permit, certified by a physician and be sold, without any advertising, in small quantities in phrarmacies. Otherwise, you will find a big sign at the 7-11 reading, CRACK - its whats good for you! or METH - Number 1 rated drug in America.

If I may quote Ron Paul, "if heroin were legal, would you go buy some?".

I'll say things like crack and meth and other "cooked" drugs should be illegal.
 
Why? It always seems to me that people who are "liberated" in this regard, approve of THEIR drugs but want to make OTHER peoples drugs illegal.

This is just a microcosm of what's wrong with America. I approve of this, so that should be illegal.

I think every single drug should be legal BUT require a permit, certified by a physician and be sold, without any advertising, in small quantities in phrarmacies. Otherwise, you will find a big sign at the 7-11 reading, CRACK - its whats good for you! or METH - Number 1 rated drug in America.

If I may quote Ron Paul, "if heroin were legal, would you go buy some?".

If you could turn it into a vacuum, then yes I would agree. However, there are in general exceedingly negative side effects to the aggregate whole if some drugs where to be made illegal. Those bath salts that make people go crazy and eat dude's faces? See something like that is perchance left illegal. If it was just the one guy, then sure; he couldn't hurt anyone. But drugs causing psychosis or exceedingly aggressive and violent behavior is perhaps something we should heavily regulate.
 
yes. it's a naturally growing fungus.
 
I'll say things like crack and meth and other "cooked" drugs should be illegal.

I'm mixed on the issue. While they are pretty ****ed up, people are going to choose to do them anyway. Banning them only puts users and small time dealers in prison, while the root of the problem makes serious bank. The CIA knows this better than anyone else, just ask Oliver North.
 
I don't see a good reason for any unrefined "drug" to be illegal. Beer, wine, weed, 'shrooms, and peyote are all perfectly natural substances - and there are others as well.

I knew someone would make the "natural" argument. There a plenty of "natural" poisons too. Just because it's natural doesn't mean it's safe.
 
Obviously, you've never consumed some hi-potency shrooms you didn't know were hi-potency shrooms.

You have to be careful with "unrefined" hallucinogens such as shrooms and peyote. Their potency can vary widely. It might actually be safer to take synthesized psilocybin or mescaline in a controlled dosage.
The trouble with that is once you start refining drugs you open the door to all refined drugs. If you limit the "drugs" to what occurs "naturally", which can mean weed that's been bred for potency (just like many other plants we breed for various reasons), then there's a very simple and obvious line that cannot be crossed. I'm not saying it's the best of all options from some perspectives but as far as "logic" it seems the most reasonable to me. You'll notice I included beer and wine in my list but not bourbon or tequila? Same principle.
 
I knew someone would make the "natural" argument. There a plenty of "natural" poisons too. Just because it's natural doesn't mean it's safe.
Never said it was safe. I just don't see the point of banning something that someone can pick up in nature.
 
The trouble with that is once you start refining drugs you open the door to all refined drugs. If you limit the "drugs" to what occurs "naturally", which can mean weed that's been bred for potency (just like many other plants we breed for various reasons), then there's a very simple and obvious line that cannot be crossed. I'm not saying it's the best of all options from some perspectives but as far as "logic" it seems the most reasonable to me. You'll notice I included beer and wine in my list but not bourbon or tequila? Same principle.

Undoubtedly, there are dangers with refined drugs. The most glaring example is cocaine which is refined from the coca leaf. In its "natural" condition, the coca leaf is a fairly innocuous stimulant similar to the effects of strong cup of coffee. However, when cocaine is extracted from the leaf, it is in a much more concentrated form and can be ingested as such, leading to a considerably stronger effect than that obtained by merely chewing the leaves.

Hallucinogens are an entirely different ball game since their psychoactive effects are so powerful, and unpredictable. What amounts to just the right dose for a pleasant trip in one person may amount to way too much of a dose for another, resulting in a trip so overwhelming it leads to an overnight stay at the crisis center. One magic mushroom can contain .63% psilocybin while another may contain 1.78%.
 
Respectfully Ikari, but as a Libertarian isn't the philosophy that people can make choices but are held liable for consequences?

I've done every drug there is (well, maybe not "bath salts") and I've never harmed anyone but myself. If I had attacked someone - wether under the influence or just because I had a badf day - I'm sure I would have been held responsible and punished accordingly.


If you could turn it into a vacuum, then yes I would agree. However, there are in general exceedingly negative side effects to the aggregate whole if some drugs where to be made illegal. Those bath salts that make people go crazy and eat dude's faces? See something like that is perchance left illegal. If it was just the one guy, then sure; he couldn't hurt anyone. But drugs causing psychosis or exceedingly aggressive and violent behavior is perhaps something we should heavily regulate.
 
Yes that's exactly what we need, more drug's. I used to get migraines when i was 8, would they have given me magic mushrooms too? No they gave me Motrin and some nice and quiet in a dark room for a couple hours. Not to mention the potential side-effects. The last thing we need is more people getting high and eating people's face off [Florida]...
 
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