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    Re: Should Psilocybin mushrooms be legalized as a headache treatment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Obviously, you've never consumed some hi-potency shrooms you didn't know were hi-potency shrooms.

    You have to be careful with "unrefined" hallucinogens such as shrooms and peyote. Their potency can vary widely. It might actually be safer to take synthesized psilocybin or mescaline in a controlled dosage.
    The trouble with that is once you start refining drugs you open the door to all refined drugs. If you limit the "drugs" to what occurs "naturally", which can mean weed that's been bred for potency (just like many other plants we breed for various reasons), then there's a very simple and obvious line that cannot be crossed. I'm not saying it's the best of all options from some perspectives but as far as "logic" it seems the most reasonable to me. You'll notice I included beer and wine in my list but not bourbon or tequila? Same principle.
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    Re: Should Psilocybin mushrooms be legalized as a headache treatment?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I knew someone would make the "natural" argument. There a plenty of "natural" poisons too. Just because it's natural doesn't mean it's safe.
    Never said it was safe. I just don't see the point of banning something that someone can pick up in nature.
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    Re: Should Psilocybin mushrooms be legalized as a headache treatment?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The trouble with that is once you start refining drugs you open the door to all refined drugs. If you limit the "drugs" to what occurs "naturally", which can mean weed that's been bred for potency (just like many other plants we breed for various reasons), then there's a very simple and obvious line that cannot be crossed. I'm not saying it's the best of all options from some perspectives but as far as "logic" it seems the most reasonable to me. You'll notice I included beer and wine in my list but not bourbon or tequila? Same principle.
    Undoubtedly, there are dangers with refined drugs. The most glaring example is cocaine which is refined from the coca leaf. In its "natural" condition, the coca leaf is a fairly innocuous stimulant similar to the effects of strong cup of coffee. However, when cocaine is extracted from the leaf, it is in a much more concentrated form and can be ingested as such, leading to a considerably stronger effect than that obtained by merely chewing the leaves.

    Hallucinogens are an entirely different ball game since their psychoactive effects are so powerful, and unpredictable. What amounts to just the right dose for a pleasant trip in one person may amount to way too much of a dose for another, resulting in a trip so overwhelming it leads to an overnight stay at the crisis center. One magic mushroom can contain .63% psilocybin while another may contain 1.78%.
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    Re: Should Psilocybin mushrooms be legalized as a headache treatment?

    Respectfully Ikari, but as a Libertarian isn't the philosophy that people can make choices but are held liable for consequences?

    I've done every drug there is (well, maybe not "bath salts") and I've never harmed anyone but myself. If I had attacked someone - wether under the influence or just because I had a badf day - I'm sure I would have been held responsible and punished accordingly.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If you could turn it into a vacuum, then yes I would agree. However, there are in general exceedingly negative side effects to the aggregate whole if some drugs where to be made illegal. Those bath salts that make people go crazy and eat dude's faces? See something like that is perchance left illegal. If it was just the one guy, then sure; he couldn't hurt anyone. But drugs causing psychosis or exceedingly aggressive and violent behavior is perhaps something we should heavily regulate.

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    Re: Should Psilocybin mushrooms be legalized as a headache treatment?

    Yes that's exactly what we need, more drug's. I used to get migraines when i was 8, would they have given me magic mushrooms too? No they gave me Motrin and some nice and quiet in a dark room for a couple hours. Not to mention the potential side-effects. The last thing we need is more people getting high and eating people's face off [Florida]...
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    Re: Should Psilocybin mushrooms be legalized as a headache treatment?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Respectfully Ikari, but as a Libertarian isn't the philosophy that people can make choices but are held liable for consequences?
    Indeed it is. Though there is a lot of variance within libertarian philosophy.

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I've done every drug there is (well, maybe not "bath salts") and I've never harmed anyone but myself. If I had attacked someone - wether under the influence or just because I had a badf day - I'm sure I would have been held responsible and punished accordingly.
    Perchance, I'm sure that on some level it is possible. Though on the whole, I'm not sure we see that. Statistically there are certainly non-limited effects of drug use on society. I don't necessarily think we must disregard in total the statistics because they can tell us important information on the dynamics of the system. As I said, if everything existed perfectly within vacuum I wouldn't have a problem. But certain drugs do have sever negative consequences when aggregated over the whole.
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    Re: Should Psilocybin mushrooms be legalized as a headache treatment?

    If my long term memory serves, they were up until the '60's.
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    They should be legal period.

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    Re: Should Psilocybin mushrooms be legalized as a headache treatment?


    Heroin should be decriminalized, along with all addictive drugs, & be treated as the medical problem that they are. Such Drugs should be distributed by persription as should needles. The costs should be kept down to actual cost + as the R & D has been done. Pharmisitical H would be cheap enough (for example) that the addict would be able to hold a job, just as now a tobacco addict can, or functional alcoholic. & purity would be standard, no cut with talcum powder of worse.

    So where did that pot thread go?

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    Heroin should be banned.
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    Re: Should Psilocybin mushrooms be legalized as a headache treatment?


    During the "60's, we got incredible weed, tripping weed, which had to be mixed with tobacco, from our local SAC Base. The CIA has been known to be involved in truckin' in the H & cynics such as myself, believe that that is partly (if not completely) why we're in Afganistan now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    I'm mixed on the issue. While they are pretty ****ed up, people are going to choose to do them anyway. Banning them only puts users and small time dealers in prison, while the root of the problem makes serious bank. The CIA knows this better than anyone else, just ask Oliver North.

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    Re: Should Psilocybin mushrooms be legalized as a headache treatment?


    No one (to my knowledge) is advocating doing posion. Although suicide among those with migrain is one option to those denied a possible cure.

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I knew someone would make the "natural" argument. There a plenty of "natural" poisons too. Just because it's natural doesn't mean it's safe.

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