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    Re: Is "separate but equal" inherently unequal?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    There is no true equality- between men and women, gays and straights, blacks, browns, yellows, reds, and whites, or any other sets of people who have distinguishing characteristics of one sort or another. There are equal rights, and equal protection under the law, but no true equality, as that leaves out the fact that there are differences, and those differences will always distinguish individuals to one degree or another.
    That's true to a certain extent, but as others have pointed out, differences don't necessarily have to lead to inequality.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Is "separate but equal" inherently unequal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    It's a restriction of freedom, obviously, but could you explain how it can possibly be unequal if no one is given preferential treatment (which was the premise in my OP, remember). That is, black folks drinking from white drinking fountains are arrested, and white folks drinking black fountains are arrested.
    What happens when "yours" is broken and your child is suffering from a very hot day? To bad, so sad? It's wrong. It's prejudicial and it not in keeping with the founding documents of the United States of America.

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    Re: Is "separate but equal" inherently unequal?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I wouldn't say that separate but equal is inherently unequal. We have some very minor examples of separate but equal in society that are fairly equal. Men's and Women's restrooms for example. They are separate, but generally equal.

    When talking politics in the real world though, separate but equal will generally turn out to be separate and unequal. It's just one of those ideas that looks okay on paper but doesn't work in practice.
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    Re: Is "separate but equal" inherently unequal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun View Post
    What happens when "yours" is broken and your child is suffering from a very hot day? To bad, so sad? It's wrong. It's prejudicial and it not in keeping with the founding documents of the United States of America.
    I don't disagree, but you're not answering my question. How can it be unequal given the parameters I have set?
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    All this talk about "dominion over a third person" is libertarianistic goobledy-gook. "dominion over a third person" means that the 3rd person is "controlled", and our govt does not control people.

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    Re: Is "separate but equal" inherently unequal?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    That's true to a certain extent, but as others have pointed out, differences don't necessarily have to lead to inequality.
    Differences are, by their very nature, inequalities.
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    Re: Is "separate but equal" inherently unequal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    I don't disagree, but you're not answering my question. How can it be unequal given the parameters I have set?
    For the reasons mentioned. Also, since whites are in the majority, shouldn't there be more drinking fountains for them? Secondly, when push comes to shove on funding, if minority water fountains break, can you guarantee they'd be fixed? The problem with Apartheid-style and "separate but equal" programs is they don't work.

    Segregated America - Separate Is Not Equal

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