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Thread: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

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    How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Whether you support or oppose it, how angry would you be if your federal/state government rejected your position?

    I don't think that governments ought to get out of the marriage business, for two reasons: a) I don't think it should be involved in it, and b) I think it's the only compromise that both proponents and opponents might accept, aside from the civil union/marriage distinction (which in my experience many anti-SSM folks seem cool with but many that are pro-SSM seem opposed). People should just call themselves married if they feel like it.

    I believe that SSM is a grave sin, but I oppose any attempt to criminalize it because people have to right to choose self-destruction; I don't see why opponents care about it. I also don't really understand why so many pro-SSM folks think it's such an important issue; correct me if I'm wrong, but civil unions with all the benefits of marriage are available in many jurisdictions, and as far as I know, most homosexuals seem uninterested in marriage (I saw some stats a while ago about limited numbers of SSMs in Massachusetts, but I can't find it now).

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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    Whether you support or oppose it, how angry would you be if your federal/state government rejected your position?

    I don't think that governments ought to get out of the marriage business, for two reasons: a) I don't think it should be involved in it, and b) I think it's the only compromise that both proponents and opponents might accept, aside from the civil union/marriage distinction (which in my experience many anti-SSM folks seem cool with but many that are pro-SSM seem opposed). People should just call themselves married if they feel like it.

    I believe that SSM is a grave sin, but I oppose any attempt to criminalize it because people have to right to choose self-destruction; I don't see why opponents care about it. I also don't really understand why so many pro-SSM folks think it's such an important issue; correct me if I'm wrong, but civil unions with all the benefits of marriage are available in many jurisdictions, and as far as I know, most homosexuals seem uninterested in marriage (I saw some stats a while ago about limited numbers of SSMs in Massachusetts, but I can't find it now).

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    It might not be an important issue to you but then again I'm sure you would have a different opinion if someone told you you cant get married or your relationship was somehow perverted.
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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Which direction is the scale?
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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Marriage equality is important to me but it's not my top issue. The economy, abortion and our foreign policy is more important to me.
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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    It's very important to me, and I think it should be to everybody, when one groups freedom is denied, then all of our freedoms can be denied.
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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    It might not be an important issue to you but then again I'm sure you would have a different opinion
    I'm pretty sure my position would be no different.

    if someone told you you cant get married
    Who cares if the state or other people recognizes my marriage, as long as my spouse does?

    or your relationship was somehow perverted.
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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It's very important to me, and I think it should be to everybody, when one groups freedom is denied, then all of our freedoms can be denied.
    You might think it pedantic of me, but strictly speaking the only group being denied freedom is everyone. After all, it's not like two heterosexual people of the same sex can get married.

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    Which direction is the scale?
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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It's very important to me, and I think it should be to everybody, when one groups freedom is denied, then all of our freedoms can be denied.
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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    I'm pretty sure my position would be no different.


    Who cares if the state or other people recognizes my marriage, as long as my spouse does?
    I do. If the state doesnt recognize someones marriage then they dont get the benefits/rights that go along with marriage.

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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    You might think it pedantic of me, but strictly speaking the only group being denied freedom is everyone. After all, it's not like two heterosexual people can get married.

    I think you are partially right. While technically it is denying everyone the right to marry someone of the same sex it really only effects those who wish to get married to the same sex aka homosexuals.

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