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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Personally, I think it is a misnomer and misapplication of "marriage", and am mildly opposed to it.


    Politically I am largely indifferent and believe we have far more important issues. It is one of the last things I'd consider in a candidate in deciding whether or not to vote for him. I consider economic issues and respect for the Constitution and Bill of Rights far more important in a candidate... I am unlikely to even bother to find out what his views on SSM are.

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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    Whether you support or oppose it, how angry would you be if your federal/state government rejected your position?

    I don't think that governments ought to get out of the marriage business, for two reasons: a) I don't think it should be involved in it, and b) I think it's the only compromise that both proponents and opponents might accept, aside from the civil union/marriage distinction (which in my experience many anti-SSM folks seem cool with but many that are pro-SSM seem opposed). People should just call themselves married if they feel like it.

    I believe that SSM is a grave sin, but I oppose any attempt to criminalize it because people have to right to choose self-destruction; I don't see why opponents care about it. I also don't really understand why so many pro-SSM folks think it's such an important issue; correct me if I'm wrong, but civil unions with all the benefits of marriage are available in many jurisdictions, and as far as I know, most homosexuals seem uninterested in marriage (I saw some stats a while ago about limited numbers of SSMs in Massachusetts, but I can't find it now).

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    1.)"how angry would you be if your federal/state government rejected your position?"
    Im pro equal rights, and Id be pretty upset for my country to deny those rights whether Im against the lifestyle or not is meaningless.

    2.) "correct me if I'm wrong, but civil unions with all the benefits of marriage are available in many jurisdictions"
    yes you are wrong, equal but different is never the same and civil unions have already been beat in court under circumstances where marriages would not have been. IE property rights. Civil unions are not even close to the same in court. Its a total cop out.

    3.) "as far as I know, most homosexuals seem uninterested in marriage"


    well "as far as I know" you are wrong again, of course I cant speak for the entire gay population but to the many I know all but one is interested in marriage. Some more so than others of course but no more or less than heterosexuals. ANd the ones that are on the fence about it are on the fence based on it not being legal or a hassle or discrimination they may face or not being publicly out yet. It has nothing to do with being gay for them.


    now to answer your main question, how important is it to me? VERY important, its a shame that gays do not have equal rights and they are discriminated against but its not the most important. There are other issues it would depend on what Im comparing it to but it is pretty terrible that in 2012 this country still has this type of discrimination in it and some citizens still do not have equal rights, it's sad.
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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    I'd put it about a five. I think it's important, but I have no real personal stake in it. I don't have any close friends or family that are gay.
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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Politically I am largely indifferent and believe we have far more important issues. It is one of the last things I'd consider in a candidate in deciding whether or not to vote for him. I consider economic issues and respect for the Constitution and Bill of Rights far more important in a candidate... I am unlikely to even bother to find out what his views on SSM are.
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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Personally, I think it is a misnomer and misapplication of "marriage", and am mildly opposed to it.


    Politically I am largely indifferent and believe we have far more important issues. It is one of the last things I'd consider in a candidate in deciding whether or not to vote for him. I consider economic issues and respect for the Constitution and Bill of Rights far more important in a candidate... I am unlikely to even bother to find out what his views on SSM are.
    hmmm

    I agree there are more important issues if directly compared
    I agree that its not a TOP issue for me when deciding who to vote for
    I am for equal gay rights BECAUSE I respect the constitution and bill of rights

    and while I may not always look for a candidates stand on equal gay rights, if they say they are against equal rights and want to put things in place to stop them they will not get my vote because they obviously have no clue what this country is about and they are a huge hypocrite.
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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    The government already largely opposes my position, and according to recent votes, so does the electorate. I'll continue to do what I've always done: speak out in support of gay marriage when the issue is presented. Eventually, the pendulum will swing the right way and this will be a notation in the history books, just like interracial marriage and recognizing the right of AAs and women to vote. It's a crying shame it'll be a rough, hate-filled, angry road to get there, but societal advancement never comes easy.
    The rights that you EQUATE the SSM to (racial equality and women's vote) are ONLY now rights due to constitutional amendment so that would be required for SSM/homosexuality to attain that status as a constitutional right as well. I do not oppose SSM, but do oppose pretending that slavery, racial or gender discrimination did not need constitutional protection, or that the nine robed umpires may now simply "skip that little constitutional amendment detail" and "do the right thing". Marriage, and by extension SSM, is a state issue and should stay that way, if SSM is not popular, and we know that is true in at least 31 states, that have voted it down, then it is a dead issue, for now, since no constitutional amendment for it is likey to pass. Some now seem to want SSM so much as to ignore the law, the constitution or the will of the people and see the current SCOTUS "make up" as a possible way to 'git-r-done', but that does not make it right to ignore or "bend" the constitution (nor did Roe vs. Wade).
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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The two are one in the same.


    Obviously I disagree. I don't think SSM is a Federal issue at all, but a matter for the individual States... 9th and 10th Amendments.

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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Physical ability is only half the problem.

    Romantic interests brake up fire teams. This is the exact same reason why there is resistance in letting gays serve openly in those roles.
    Those in the military should be able to separate their job from their love life. And isnt there some rule against dating others in your company or something?

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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Then amend the constitution and "fix" it. Using activist judges to say it is "kind of like" slavery or mixed race marriage, or any other nonsense ignores the simple fact that the 14th amendment specifically addresses slavery/race and NOT SSM/homosexuality. To make SSM federal, makes marriage federal, the exact argument behind making the federal DOMA unconstitutional.
    Not allowing SSM is like not allowing interracial marriage. And we shouldnt need to amend the constitution to allow SSM.

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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I've been married for 27 years...still waiting on those benefits. most of what I've seen has been "responsibilities".
    You got them as soon as you got legally married. If you havent needed them yet thats on you.

    Edit: Just noticed you were making a joke lol.
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