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Thread: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    The government already largely opposes my position, and according to recent votes, so does the electorate. I'll continue to do what I've always done: speak out in support of gay marriage when the issue is presented. Eventually, the pendulum will swing the right way and this will be a notation in the history books, just like interracial marriage and recognizing the right of AAs and women to vote. It's a crying shame it'll be a rough, hate-filled, angry road to get there, but societal advancement never comes easy.
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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It was a compelling enough argument to end racial segregation. No one would even CONSIDER having a college program that required racially "separate but equal" sports programs, yet for gender that was deemed logical, correct and just. As you note, it would be a minor inconvenience for longer lines (for men) by having unisex restrooms, yet we see no compelling reason to do it. Many see no compelling reason (state interest) for SSM or polygamy, so we have not allowed those variations on the traditional man/woman marriage. What the pro-SSM crowd wishes to do is say that a RIGHT to SSM now exists, it has just been overlooked in 95% of the world. Marriage, as well as homosexuality, was well known at the time the constitution was written, and they could have been mentioned as "rights" but they were not, in fact, the only individual contract relationship mentioned in the constitution was slavery. Using that SSM is a right "logic", polygamy should be a shoe in, since it is globally much more common, just not seen that way in any U.S. state yet.
    Homosexuality was looked down upon when the constitution was written. Doesnt mean that not allowing SSM is ok.

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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Fairness is always important. When one group is being discriminated against, tha makes the issue important.

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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    Whether you support or oppose it, how angry would you be if your federal/state government rejected your position?

    I don't think that governments ought to get out of the marriage business, for two reasons: a) I don't think it should be involved in it, and b) I think it's the only compromise that both proponents and opponents might accept, aside from the civil union/marriage distinction (which in my experience many anti-SSM folks seem cool with but many that are pro-SSM seem opposed). People should just call themselves married if they feel like it.

    I believe that SSM is a grave sin, but I oppose any attempt to criminalize it because people have to right to choose self-destruction; I don't see why opponents care about it. I also don't really understand why so many pro-SSM folks think it's such an important issue; correct me if I'm wrong, but civil unions with all the benefits of marriage are available in many jurisdictions, and as far as I know, most homosexuals seem uninterested in marriage (I saw some stats a while ago about limited numbers of SSMs in Massachusetts, but I can't find it now).

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    SSM is something only %2 of the population would even consider. Of those, few will even attempt, and of those few who attempt, half will divorce. It's argued that this will not affect me either way, good or bad.

    So, it's not important to me. My domestic issue is the 2nd Amendment.

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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    Let women into combat roles as long as they can pass the same physical requirements as a man.
    Physical ability is only half the problem.

    Romantic interests brake up fire teams. This is the exact same reason why there is resistance in letting gays serve openly in those roles.

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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    Whether you support or oppose it, how angry would you be if your federal/state government rejected your position?

    I don't think that governments ought to get out of the marriage business, for two reasons: a) I don't think it should be involved in it, and b) I think it's the only compromise that both proponents and opponents might accept, aside from the civil union/marriage distinction (which in my experience many anti-SSM folks seem cool with but many that are pro-SSM seem opposed). People should just call themselves married if they feel like it.

    I believe that SSM is a grave sin, but I oppose any attempt to criminalize it because people have to right to choose self-destruction; I don't see why opponents care about it. I also don't really understand why so many pro-SSM folks think it's such an important issue; correct me if I'm wrong, but civil unions with all the benefits of marriage are available in many jurisdictions, and as far as I know, most homosexuals seem uninterested in marriage (I saw some stats a while ago about limited numbers of SSMs in Massachusetts, but I can't find it now).

    Tuppence for your thoughts?
    Gov'ts are very much in the contract definition/enforcement business, in fact, it is necessary. Many laws specifically contain provisions allow for "special" treatment of married people, the biggest "rights" driving point (and somewhat valid) behind SSM. If two people "live together" they may be compelled to testify against each other in court, yet a spouse can not be so ordered. Tax breaks/penalties are based on the marraige contract, as well as taxation of assest transfers. To say that gov't should "ignore" a marrriage contract would defeat its purpose totally.
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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    Homosexuality was looked down upon when the constitution was written. Doesnt mean that not allowing SSM is ok.
    Then amend the constitution and "fix" it. Using activist judges to say it is "kind of like" slavery or mixed race marriage, or any other nonsense ignores the simple fact that the 14th amendment specifically addresses slavery/race and NOT SSM/homosexuality. To make SSM federal, makes marriage federal, the exact argument behind making the federal DOMA unconstitutional.
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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Physical ability is only half the problem.

    Romantic interests brake up fire teams. This is the exact same reason why there is resistance in letting gays serve openly in those roles.
    Not "fair" using reality and logic. Shame on you! ;-)
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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    SSM is something only %2 of the population would even consider. Of those, few will even attempt, and of those few who attempt, half will divorce. It's argued that this will not affect me either way, good or bad.

    So, it's not important to me. My domestic issue is the 2nd Amendment.
    It depends on HOW the SSM issue is handled, that may affect you. If a court can "infer" a constitutional right to SSM then why not polygamy? If states can issue "CCW permits", then why not "go to church permits", "speaking permits", "have an attorney present during plice questioning permits" or "voting permits" - woops the 24th amendment to the constitution was deemed necessary to prevent "voting permits", yet voting literacy tests got a SCOTUS pass for the need from any amendment. If our constitution is treated as a suggestion, rather than taken literally then SSM is a BIG BIG issue indeed. Legal SCOTUS precedents have nearly as much power as a constitutional amendment, perhaps even more, since it may take an amendment to reverse them (remember Roe vs. Wade).
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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    I do. If the state doesnt recognize someones marriage then they dont get the benefits/rights that go along with marriage.
    I've been married for 27 years...still waiting on those benefits. most of what I've seen has been "responsibilities".
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