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Thread: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Personally, the issue of gay marriage affects me very little. So when it comes to how I live my life and how important gay marriage is to my day-to-day existence, its importance is somewhere around 1 or 2.

    But when it comes to my personal political beliefs and how passionate I am about the cause itself? It's something like a 9 or 10. It's really interesting how my favorite topic of interest is generally foreign policy and yet i spend most of my time here arguing for gay marriage lol.
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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    I do. If the state doesnt recognize someones marriage then they dont get the benefits/rights that go along with marriage.
    That's true. I suppose I intended the discussion to focus mainly on the importance of the distinction between civil union and marriage, but mea culpa for not making that clear. What are your thoughts, assuming civil unions are already in play?
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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Marriage is not a federal issue defined by the constitution, to make it so SHOULD require a constitutional amendment. If my state should vote to allow it then fine by me, if it should vote to keep marraige as it is then fine by me. I will not use that privilege, if it were granted, and don't see how others that may use it, if it were granted, would harm me in any way. My position on SSM is exactly the same as my position for allowing polygamy, it is simply a potential variation upon the current definition of marriage that is, and should stay, a matter of state law. I see neither great harm nor any great advantage to changing the current marriage definition.
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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    That's true. I suppose I intended the discussion to focus mainly on the importance of the distinction between civil union and marriage, but mea culpa for not making that clear. What are your thoughts, assuming civil unions are already in play?
    Ok well I personally dont agree with creating a separate institution for a group of people even if that institution has the exact same rights as the other because we already decided that separate is not equal.

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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    That's true. I suppose I intended the discussion to focus mainly on the importance of the distinction between civil union and marriage, but mea culpa for not making that clear. What are your thoughts, assuming civil unions are already in play?
    The only concern I have for inventing a "civil union" (as a form of marriage) is that unless ALL laws using "marriage" were amended to include (equate?) "civil unions" it would then be a useless contract in many respects. We have a lot of "legal precendents" based on marriage and I fear that JUDGES, rather than legislatures, would then seek to make the two equivalent in the eyes of all law, thus making civil unions a "back door trick" to change the REAL (and legal) definition of marriage, that voters, if given the option may have rejected.
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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    Ok well I personally dont agree with creating a separate institution for a group of people even if that institution has the exact same rights as the other because we already decided that separate is not equal.
    Separate is not equal? What of the military duty assignments and physical fitness satndards? What of "title IX laws" in funding college athletic programs? What of public restrooms? We clearly allow LEGAL gender distinctions to be made even if UNEQUAL.
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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Separate is not equal? What of the military duty assignments and physical fitness satndards? What of "title IX laws" in funding college athletic programs? What of public restrooms? We clearly allow LEGAL gender distinctions to be made even if UNEQUAL.
    I think military standards and assignments should be equal for both sexes. Let women into combat roles as long as they can pass the same physical requirements as a man. I dont know enough about athletic program funding to comment on that. Public restrooms are seperated due to differences in male and female anatomy. Marriage is not effected by those differences while using the restroom is.

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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    I think military standards and assignments should be equal for both sexes. Let women into combat roles as long as they can pass the same physical requirements as a man. I dont know enough about athletic program funding to comment on that. Public restrooms are seperated due to differences in male and female anatomy. Marriage is not effected by those differences while using the restroom is.
    In a restroom, regardless of who you are and which number you're going, you can always use a toilet to do it. Why not just have a big room full of toilets for both sexes? I don't find that a very compelling argument.
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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    In a restroom, regardless of who you are and which number you're going, you can always use a toilet to do it. Why not jut have a big room full of toilets for both sexes? I don't find that a very compelling argument.
    You certainly could. Although I would say that is more of an argument on creating unisex bathrooms then an argument against SSM.

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    Re: How important do you consider the issue of gay marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    In a restroom, regardless of who you are and which number you're going, you can always use a toilet to do it. Why not just have a big room full of toilets for both sexes? I don't find that a very compelling argument.
    It was a compelling enough argument to end racial segregation (but that ALSO took a constituional amendment). No one would even CONSIDER having a college program that required racially "separate but equal" sports programs, yet for gender that was deemed logical, correct and just. As you note, it would be a minor inconvenience (longer lines for men) by having unisex restrooms, yet we see no compelling reason to do it. Many see no compelling reason (state interest) for SSM or polygamy, so we have not allowed those variations on the traditional man/woman marriage. What the pro-SSM crowd wishes to do is say that a RIGHT to SSM now exists, it has just been overlooked in 95% of the world. Marriage, as well as homosexuality, was well known at the time the constitution was written, and they could have been mentioned as "rights" but they were not, in fact, the only individual contract relationship mentioned in the constitution was slavery. Using that SSM is a right "logic", polygamy should be a shoe in, since it is globally much more common, just not seen that way in any U.S. state yet.
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