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Thread: Should straight marraige be left to the states?

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    Re: Should straight marraige be left to the states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    9th Amendment:
    "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

    And with two previous supreme court rulings basing their ruling on the premise that marriage is a fundemental right (which you know will affect SCOTUS'S decision when SSM gets before them) then the 9th applies. IE this is not a state decision.
    Was not DOMA ruled unconstitutional because it trumps the state's right to define marriage how they want? It is a state decision due to the states issuing the licenses and the feds not having the authority to define marriage.
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    Re: Should straight marraige be left to the states?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Was not DOMA ruled unconstitutional because it trumps the state's right to define marriage how they want? It is a state decision due to the states issuing the licenses and the feds not having the authority to define marriage.
    Don't know as I haven't followed DOMA. However I would imagine that it would be ruled unconstitutional due to the full faith and credit clause that is in the Constitution. Not because of a "state's right to define marriage".

    Article IV - The States
    Section 1 - Each State to Honor all others
    Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof


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    Re: Should straight marraige be left to the states?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Should states have the right the ban straight marriage if they want.
    Sure, go for it. The **** do I care, I'm divorced, do what you want.

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    Re: Should straight marraige be left to the states?

    When you say 'ban marriage', are you talking about stopping churches from doing religious ceremonies, or are you merely talking about ending the legal aspects of marriage? If it's the latter, states already have the right to ban all marriages AFAIK.
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    Re: Should straight marraige be left to the states?

    As far as am concerned, as long as any government gives legal rights to blood relations, then we need some contract, such as marriage, available to ensure that the person of another's choosing is given those same legal rights and the actual final say in most matters concerning the person when they are unable to do so. And I don't believe it is practical to ever remove all the rights and benefits given to blood relatives, so then there should also be marriage or some other contract similar to it.
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    Re: Should straight marraige be left to the states?

    The state shouldn't be involved in marriage at all whether it be homosexual or heterosexual.

    Civil Unions should be it for taxes and other purposes.
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    Re: Should straight marraige be left to the states?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Should states have the right the ban straight marriage if they want.
    Nope.Real/traditional marriage should not be banned.
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