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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if you run a charity and a billionaire gives one hundredth of what he makes and a somewhat rich guy (making 100K a year) gives you 10% which contribution means more for your charity?

    most rich people don't have the life of dilettante leisure you speak of.
    No, they don't. That does not change the fact that there is an unequal and unfair distribution of wealth though.

    Everybody wants it and those that have it justify why they deserve it.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is really silly. very few people in the top 1 percent pay an effective rate below 22-24%. most of us are paying about the same overall effective federal tax rate as we have for years. Its only a few thousand megarich who have seen drastic cuts in their overall effective federal taxes rate.

    and those people pay MILLIONS of actual tax dollars each-which means they contribute far more than the yappers who whine they don't pay enough
    I see you've now pushed what the Rich pay from 22-24% in the first part of your post up to implying more than half in the last part. LOL! Is it any wonder no one can believe what you say?
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    No, they don't. That does not change the fact that there is an unequal and unfair distribution of wealth though.

    Everybody wants it and those that have it justify why they deserve it.
    unequal does not mean unfair. Unfair is something you cannot establish objectively. what is unfair is politicians buying the votes of the unprosperous by telling them that those politicians will make things more fair. the market is always "more fair" than those who try to change natural outcomes in order to gain power through the votes of those who lose in the marketplace

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I see you've now pushed what the Rich pay from 22-24% in the first part of your post up to implying more than half in the last part. LOL! Is it any wonder no one can believe what you say?
    you must be confused-you cannot tell the difference between effective rates of Federal income taxation vs the richest one percent's share of the Federal income tax burden. Go back and read what i actually wrote and you will see the error in your post

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you keep yammering about old tax rates as if those were fair or necessary. you need to prove that they have some use other than appealing to the envy and spite of those who have failed to achieve success
    I don't particularly see 1860s America as a great place to live. Concentrated wealth, mass poverty, abysmal death rates, no health care for most of the populace. Do you see this as something which benefits a nation? That's the use of "tax rates" and taxes in general. So we can avoid returning to the middle ages that existed less than 2 centuries ago.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if you run a charity and a billionaire gives one hundredth of what he makes and a somewhat rich guy (making 100K a year) gives you 10% which contribution means more for your charity?

    most rich people don't have the life of dilettante leisure you speak of.
    No, they don't. That doesnt change the fact that there is an unequal distribution of wealth and that those who have it justify why they should get to keep it though...
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    unequal does not mean unfair. Unfair is something you cannot establish objectively. what is unfair is politicians buying the votes of the unprosperous by telling them that those politicians will make things more fair. the market is always "more fair" than those who try to change natural outcomes in order to gain power through the votes of those who lose in the marketplace
    I didn't say that unfair meant unequal. I am saying that it is both unfair and unequal.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I didn't say that unfair meant unequal. I am saying that it is both unfair and unequal.
    unequal-objectively true

    unfair-worthless

    some would say with equal validity that any income redistribution by the government is unfair. and even more unfair is those who gain wealth and power by promising the "have nots" the wealth of the haves

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you must be confused-you cannot tell the difference between effective rates of Federal income taxation vs the richest one percent's share of the Federal income tax burden. Go back and read what i actually wrote and you will see the error in your post
    My mistake - you raised the 40% you were whining about earlier up to 50%+ in this last post. With all the right-wingnut half-truths and outright lies it's hard to keep track.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    No, they don't. That doesnt change the fact that there is an unequal distribution of wealth and that those who have it justify why they should get to keep it though...
    I couldn't care less. there will always be inequality. Those born smarter, prettier or more athletic than others will always have more. Several kids I know hit as many tennis balls as a guy my age did-John McEnroe. They went to top coaches, went to the tournaments and guess what-they never got a full ride to Stanford nor made millions playing pro tennis.

    There were kids at my HS who worked far harder than I did, studied longer, took better notes etc but I got top boards and grades and they didn't. There were kids who worked less than I did who had higher grades. same in college.

    Pretty girls tend to have much higher standards of living than plain or ugly women from similar backgrounds. I know lots of really wealthy guys. for the most part, their wives are far more attractive than average.

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