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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Not really. Many view their personal income FROM a job as deserved. They supply their labor/talent for use by another and they get money in return. Try it sometime, you might even like it. ;-)
    Yes. This also fits in with the proper meaning of "deserve." Meriting wages due to working. Hmm. What a concept.

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I can understand your shyness. No one likes to admit their obsessions.

    I didn't say walking over others was cheating. Since you have asserted it, am I to assume you cheated as well?

    So our Founding Fathers were personal failures now?
    what gaping idiocy. You were the one who brought up violence not me. Your obsession appears to be over the fact others are more industrious than you are and you think that means they should be taxed to pay for what you want

    and you also have this attitude that those who succeed must have "walked over others"

    that assumes facts not in evidence and demonstrates the typical attitude of excusing why you do not succeed

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    No I don't. The problem is that people are inherently selfish. I take my multi-million dollar family as a prime example. They sit in luxary and of course give some to charity but nobody needs nor deserves the luxaries that they have while others work harder and have next to nothing. Life isn't fair, sure, but people mistake what they were born into for what they deserve and I think that is what you are confusing.
    that makes no sense whatsoever. you are in no position to determine what someone else deserves or "needs" and using that attitude, you can be held to say that as long as someone is poor, no one should be rich

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    HaHah! I missed this earlier.

    You honestly believe altruism exists?!?!?
    So when rich dem elitists proclaim they are pushing higher taxes to help the poor that is complete BS? thanks for that admission-I agree.

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    So when rich dem elitists proclaim they are pushing higher taxes to help the poor that is complete BS? thanks for that admission-I agree.
    And when Governor's that so happen to own drug testing centers propose testing people for drugs they aren't suckling at the tit are they....

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what gaping idiocy. You were the one who brought up violence not me. Your obsession appears to be over the fact others are more industrious than you are and you think that means they should be taxed to pay for what you want

    and you also have this attitude that those who succeed must have "walked over others"

    that assumes facts not in evidence and demonstrates the typical attitude of excusing why you do not succeed
    No, I merely recounted history - I'm sorry you can't see the difference. Apparently the shoe fit all too well.

    I have what I want and don't need your taxes to continue with that life. It's sad you're so self-centered to believe the crap you spew.

    I'm sure you've never been walked on so, of course, you have no clue and no evidence. Yours has been a gilded life, we all understand that as you constantly take pains to remind us. I don't envy you, I pity you.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    So when rich dem elitists proclaim they are pushing higher taxes to help the poor that is complete BS?
    What makes you think they aren't helping the poor?
    - If people on the bottom get more money then it would seem they are helping the poor.
    - Your constant whining certainly enforces my belief they are helping the poor.

    It's a sure bet if they were helping you as much as you'd like, you wouldn't be whining about it - or maybe you would. Sometimes I think you just like to whine. Maybe it's your excuse for eating $50/lb cheese.


    As for "private charity freely given" that's not altruism either. For the 1% I'm sure it's nothing more than a tax write-off or a way to somehow pay off some of their guilt. Personally, I do it because it makes me feel good. That's still not altruistic. Like I said, altruism doesn't exist and anyone believing otherwise is delusional.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    thanks for that admission-I agree.
    What admission - that you draw poor and inaccurate conclusions? I'm glad you agree!
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Not really. Many view their personal income FROM a job as deserved. They supply their labor/talent for use by another and they get money in return. Try it sometime, you might even like it. ;-)
    Try what? Working?

    Working is not a competition. There are no winners or losers. If the people that pave the roads all quit and nobody does it how is the multi-millionaire supposed to get to work? If the rich guy's toilet is clogged after a big **** and requires a plumber... and the plumber quits, who is going to unclog it? We can go on all day about how the system works because of everybody's contribution.

    So, based on your personal, intimate knowledge of ONE family, we should basically say that it follows that all "rich" are undeserving, pampered and greedy, thus it is just that we tax them, for having these bad qualities, at rates 2x to 5x, what "normal" hardworking people are expected to pay. How do you determine what someone deserves? Do a machinist, carpenter and auto mechanic deserve the same pay? Do a burger flipper, a store clerk and a taxi driver deserve the same pay?
    Millionaire families are not hermits... we do socialize once in a while and I know hundreds and hundreds of families...

    I would say that carpenters and machinists deserve much more pay and that CEO's deserve much less pay. There are some companies where pretty much everybody gets the same pay.

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    Based on whose rules? Who are you to say what another person deserves? What do you think the word "deserves" means?


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    to merit, be qualified for, or have a claim to (reward, assistance, punishment, etc.) because of actions, qualities, or situation

    That family has a claim to that money based on their situation (the fact that they inherited it and it belongs to them). Therefore, by definition, they deserve it
    I am the person saying that they don't deserve everything while others wallow with nothing evevn though they work as hard as they can...
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    And when Governor's that so happen to own drug testing centers propose testing people for drugs they aren't suckling at the tit are they....
    sounds like a conflict of interest to me but then again, I am one of those scary libertarian types who think you should have a right to put what you want in your body without being persecuted by the government for it. but then again I also don't think we should be funding your recreational pharmaceutical journeys either

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    No, I merely recounted history - I'm sorry you can't see the difference. Apparently the shoe fit all too well.

    I have what I want and don't need your taxes to continue with that life. It's sad you're so self-centered to believe the crap you spew.

    I'm sure you've never been walked on so, of course, you have no clue and no evidence. Yours has been a gilded life, we all understand that as you constantly take pains to remind us. I don't envy you, I pity you.
    Nah you tax hikers (don't tax me-tax the other guy) are doing that out of the goodness of your heart. Your concept of charity is demanding someone else be forced to help the poor.

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