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Thread: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I guess that is one way of saying you are not up to competing. But I really wish all those on this board who keep threatening violent revolution because they aren't industrious or intelligent enough to provide for themselves would really act out their threats.
    I do provide for myself but your lack of memory in that regard is no surprise. But unlike you I'd rather be a person of average means than walk over others, treating people like property just to make an extra buck or two.

    As for violence, I'm just reminding people of history. As noted, and as you ignored (what else is new?), I doubt it will happen in my lifetime and I wouldn't personally espouse it - but the writing is on the wall in Day-Glo colors. As with everyone else, you have the right of willful ignorance so you can choose to ignore it if you wish.


    As an aside, you seem to be the one obsessed with violence. I've seen it many times in many of your posts. I'd rather shoot things with a camera than a firearm. Your gun fetish earns you no extra points here.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I do provide for myself but your lack of memory in that regard is no surprise. But unlike you I'd rather be a person of average means than walk over others, treating people like property just to make an extra buck or two.

    As for violence, I'm just reminding people of history. As noted, and as you ignored (what else is new?), I doubt it will happen in my lifetime and I wouldn't personally espouse it - but the writing is on the wall in Day-Glo colors. As with everyone else, you have the right of willful ignorance so you can choose to ignore it if you wish.


    As an aside, you seem to be the one obsessed with violence. I've seen it many times in many of your posts. I'd rather shoot things with a camera than a firearm. Your gun fetish earns you no extra points here.

    1) gun fetish is some made up nonsense that the left invokes. I have never met anyone who had a true fetish for guns. I am sure they exist but mainly in the minds of lefties.

    2) I realize you beleve that those who are successful must have "walked over others" to achieve. Its common in any sort of competition for those who fail to claim the winners must have cheated. Its easier to blame one's lack of success on some unfair advantage rather than one's own personal failings.

    3) It is not I who says that violence is a predicted result of personal failings. rather it is you and others like you

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) gun fetish is some made up nonsense that the left invokes. I have never met anyone who had a true fetish for guns. I am sure they exist but mainly in the minds of lefties.
    I can understand your shyness. No one likes to admit their obsessions.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    2) I realize you beleve that those who are successful must have "walked over others" to achieve. Its common in any sort of competition for those who fail to claim the winners must have cheated. Its easier to blame one's lack of success on some unfair advantage rather than one's own personal failings.
    I didn't say walking over others was cheating. Since you have asserted it, am I to assume you cheated as well?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    3) It is not I who says that violence is a predicted result of personal failings. rather it is you and others like you
    So our Founding Fathers were personal failures now?
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I think you confuse private charity freely given versus government redistribution of wealth that is the farthest thing from altruism that there is
    No I don't. The problem is that people are inherently selfish. I take my multi-million dollar family as a prime example. They sit in luxary and of course give some to charity but nobody needs nor deserves the luxaries that they have while others work harder and have next to nothing. Life isn't fair, sure, but people mistake what they were born into for what they deserve and I think that is what you are confusing.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    2) I realize you beleve that those who are successful must have "walked over others" to achieve. Its common in any sort of competition for those who fail to claim the winners must have cheated. Its easier to blame one's lack of success on some unfair advantage rather than one's own personal failings.
    Here is the major problem. You view personal income or a job as winning or losing.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I think you confuse private charity freely given versus government redistribution of wealth that is the farthest thing from altruism that there is
    HaHah! I missed this earlier.

    You honestly believe altruism exists?!?!?
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    nobody needs nor deserves the luxaries that they have
    Based on whose rules? Who are you to say what another person deserves? What do you think the word "deserves" means?


    de·serve
       [dih-zurv] Show IPA verb, de·served, de·serv·ing.

    verb (used with object)
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    to merit, be qualified for, or have a claim to (reward, assistance, punishment, etc.) because of actions, qualities, or situation

    That family has a claim to that money based on their situation (the fact that they inherited it and it belongs to them). Therefore, by definition, they deserve it

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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    No I don't. The problem is that people are inherently selfish. I take my multi-million dollar family as a prime example. They sit in luxary and of course give some to charity but nobody needs nor deserves the luxaries that they have while others work harder and have next to nothing. Life isn't fair, sure, but people mistake what they were born into for what they deserve and I think that is what you are confusing.
    So, based on your personal, intimate knowledge of ONE family, we should basically say that it follows that all "rich" are undeserving, pampered and greedy, thus it is just that we tax them, for having these bad qualities, at rates 2x to 5x, what "normal" hardworking people are expected to pay. How do you determine what someone deserves? Do a machinist, carpenter and auto mechanic deserve the same pay? Do a burger flipper, a store clerk and a taxi driver deserve the same pay?
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    Based on whose rules? Who are you to say what another person deserves? What do you think the word "deserves" means?


    de·serve
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    verb (used with object)
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    That family has a claim to that money based on their situation (the fact that they inherited it and it belongs to them). Therefore, by definition, they deserve it
    It is the OWS logic. They have, I want, they don't need that much, I need more, therefore it is just that the gov't take from them and give to me, making life "fair".
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
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    Re: Do the Rich Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Here is the major problem. You view personal income or a job as winning or losing.
    Not really. Many view their personal income FROM a job as deserved. They supply their labor/talent for use by another and they get money in return. Try it sometime, you might even like it. ;-)
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
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